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Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2016, 01:38:52 PM »

Offline Smitty77

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Anybody who tries to claim Sully had anything but an absolutely horrible game either didn't watch the game, or knows nothing about basketball. 

Given your extended diatribes on the decline Horford, one has to wonder about your knowledge of basketball.

Sully had a bad game. So did just about everyone except Marcus Smart. Absolutely horrendous? Massive over reaction and more transference of your own personal disdain for Sully clouding your judgment of how he played last night.

Nick,

Since I am the OP, I want to let you know that I have NOT always been a Sully hater!!!!  BUT, when he literally came back in a freaking contract year in FAR WORSE shape than he ended the season, I was stunned!!!!  This is NOT genetics, but it is simply will power or lack thereof!!!!

Then I saw his performance last night, against, as someone else mentioned, a poor rebounding Hawks' team (they were 24th in the NBA for the regular season!!), and I literally had to throw my hands up and FINALLY ADMIT that it is NOW PAST TIME to move on from Mr. Buffet II (the first was Sean the "buffet" May)!!!

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Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2016, 03:17:40 PM »

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Anybody who tries to claim Sully had anything but an absolutely horrible game either didn't watch the game, or knows nothing about basketball. 

Given your extended diatribes on the decline Horford, one has to wonder about your knowledge of basketball.

Sully had a bad game. So did just about everyone except Marcus Smart. Absolutely horrendous? Massive over reaction and more transference of your own personal disdain for Sully clouding your judgment of how he played last night.

Nick,

Since I am the OP, I want to let you know that I have NOT always been a Sully hater!!!!  BUT, when he literally came back in a freaking contract year in FAR WORSE shape than he ended the season, I was stunned!!!!  This is NOT genetics, but it is simply will power or lack thereof!!!!

Then I saw his performance last night, against, as someone else mentioned, a poor rebounding Hawks' team (they were 24th in the NBA for the regular season!!), and I literally had to throw my hands up and FINALLY ADMIT that it is NOW PAST TIME to move on from Mr. Buffet II (the first was Sean the "buffet" May)!!!

Smitty77
I am not disagreeing that its time to move on from Sully. It is. He once again appeared to put on weight as the season progressed and his performance late in the season curtailed.

But you made the OP seem like Sully was the cause of the loss last night and he just wasn't. He didn't play well.

His rebounding wasn't great though because Horford and Millsap were pulling him out to the three point line on most Hawk offensive possessions. Horford was able to get so many offensive rebounds because the Hawks clanked from the outside and there were a lot of long rebounds that Horford got by out quicking Sully and others after shots were taken and getting to the long rebound.

His shooting was bad, but so was everyone else's shooting not name Marcus Smart. But Sully did a great job as the only big when the C's went to a small ball lineup in the second half.

As for complaining about 6 fouls, he had to give the last foul and at least two of the other fouls were extremely chintzy. I think he played good defense for what he does but was often left out to dry in the first half as our guards and wings just let anyone drive right past them and left Sully or Amir in one on two or one on three situations. The perimeter defense was awful in the first half and gave up way too much penetration.

I have no problem with saying Sully needs to go. He has worn out his welcome. He has proven he prefers food over conditioning and a successful basketball career. But he wasn't the worst player on the floor for the C's last night. Heck, he wasn't even the worst big on the floor last night. He and all the rest of the players can take credit for playing bad and losing. But he, as well as most anyone that played in the second half except Jerebko, can also say they played better in the second half and were the reason for the team's comeback.

BTW, TP for the friendliness and not insulting my basketball knowledge like others here have.

Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2016, 03:25:49 PM »

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2016 free agents= Horford and Sully

Horford as a C and Sully as a Hawk and we win

Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2016, 04:42:29 PM »

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Sullinger is a useful player.  He doesn't have to go, but if he stays, he doesn't have to start.  I'd love to sign Horford, have him and Amir start, with Sullinger and Olynyk off the bench, and adding a legit seven-footer defensive specialist as the fifth big.  Sullinger may command a contract that makes that a poor use of cap space, though.
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Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2016, 05:27:06 PM »

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kelly has to go 1-3 and 1 rebound in 11mins

Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2016, 05:38:57 PM »

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Sully is starting because we have less than average bigs. If we had a few bigs on the level of Hartford, and Milsap, Sully would be a low minute bench contributor, and this conversation would be nonexistent.

First, last and always, the main contributor to the sometimes lumbering performance of Sully is conditioning.
He chooses to play basketball 35 pounds over weight, it's not his fault the Celtics have no better player to replace him with.


Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2016, 05:50:07 PM »

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Sully was a no show

But Teague was difference in the game

Disappointing not to see coaching staff adjust coverage on p/n/roll

I was looking for something new to start the game

Stevens needs help on the bench. 

Jim obrien dick harter thibs  even Lawrence frank were all better than suits sitting there now

Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2016, 05:55:52 PM »

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"Sully hater" is another word for those who have seen him limitations his career here.   It is what it is, he is good in some areas and bad in others.   I have been a strong detractor but I recall guys saying he would be the next Kevin Love, which sometimes he is closer to Kevin James on the court.  I have never cared for his lack of discipline but even I admit he has great hands and is a solid rebounder.   But some represent him like he is a top ten center, which he is not.

If KO is hurt, we need him even more,   I hope if this is the case, we see some Mickey in there too.

Sully can push some guys around,   Milsap and Horford are both as strong if not stronger than him.   Sully can't bully them.   They are better athletes and veterans.   I think Sully will have a good game or two in the series.   

It is like he runs out of steam recently, though.  This is inexcusable.   I have always hoped we let him walk, he had a contract year to prove himself.   He can play in the league but he is not a star.   There are match-ups he is good at, but there are many times he is a liability out there too.  I agree there might be a place for him on this team but the price has to be right.

When Ainge negotiates,  he should point out how he never met their weight suggestions and he should list his first three seasons where he missed about a quarter of the games.   He should also bring up his FG% and 3P% as being low to lower his cost.   Then address his conditioning with him.  Finish up with what he does well.   If he gets mad and walks  so be it but I would not pay him more than AB, even if the cap rises.   

We can get another big.   They might not board as well, but they will probably shoot better, not come into camp fat and be conditioned.   I also think, we have seen his best effort this year, it was a contract year.  As for free agents, I think that Zaza, Ezeli, Mahini, Biyombo could replace him somewhat and both are solid help defenders and shoot better FG%.

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Sully was a no show

He did show in all fairness, in the first quarter, folks.  He just wilted.
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Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2016, 06:17:17 PM »

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You should be mad at Olynyk for not showing up instead. Had shoot like he always does, we will have more spacing and the paint will open up for guards to attack. Sully had his hands full guarding Millsap and he produced 9 pts and 6 rebounds under 20 minutes.

KO sucks!  Was p---ed when we drafted him and each game I watch it gets worse and worse.  I feel there has been no growth.  Can't believe they traded up to get him.  OMG!
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Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2016, 06:25:55 PM »

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This is just a bad matchup for him. I don't think he is in the Celtics long term plan anyways.

Re: Sully has to GO!!!!
« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2016, 02:38:04 AM »

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I agree with the OP. I've lost my patients with Sully. I don't want him back for any amount next year. I'd rather bring back Bass at this point. At least Bass gives it his all and plays to the top of his natural abilities.