Rozier vs. Portis

[LooseCannon]

Is there any reason to believe that Portis would have more minutes played than Jordan Mickey has right now if he had been drafted by the Celtics?

[Eja117]

Yeah I really didn't get what he was talking about there either? TP. Bobby Portis barley plays, lol.

Unless you're somehow referring to his microbrew hobby (on which I have no comment), this simply isn't true.



Portis has played 980 minutes this year in 57 games (3 starts).

He's given the Bulls solid per-minute production for a 17 mpg backup (14 pts 10 reb per-36).  He's even shown some range.

He has 13 games this season with 10 or more points, including a 20 point performance.  He has 6 games this season with 10 or more rebounds.



Rozier has played 280 minutes this year in 35 games.

He has a 32.5% TS% and his most notable contribution as a guard has been on the boards, averaging 7.6 rebounds per 36.

His best game was probably a 7 points 5 assist 3 rebound performance in a 14 point loss to Toronto.


Point being, Portis has actually gotten on the floor and given the Bulls something in a reserve role.  This doesn't suggest future stardom or anything, but he looks to be an NBA player.  He had a handful of nice games.

Rozier has made a few cameos and occasionally looked like he has some game in garbage time.  Overall, though, it's still a mystery if he's gonna find a place in the league.

This. Plus was actually needed a big.

[Who]

Bulls were talking about moving one of their bigs due to Portis. That included Pau and Gibson! We don't hear Rozier making Smart or IT available. Portis was a much better pick. We need to move on and not make excuses.

I think we will see that happen in time.

In another 12+ months time. Next year's trade deadline or the following season.

[PhoSita]

Bulls were talking about moving one of their bigs due to Portis. That included Pau and Gibson! We don't hear Rozier making Smart or IT available. Portis was a much better pick. We need to move on and not make excuses.

I think we will see that happen in time.

In another 12+ months time. Next year's trade deadline or the following season.

You really think that if Smart or IT become available, it'll be due to Terry Rozier?

I think if that happens, it'll be because the Celts are looking to trade for a big name and Smart and Isaiah are two of their best non-draft pick trade pieces.

[Celtics18]

I've definitely seen potential out of Rozier lately even if the only player in the league with better shooting numbers is his teammate, Marcus.

[Who]

Bulls were talking about moving one of their bigs due to Portis. That included Pau and Gibson! We don't hear Rozier making Smart or IT available. Portis was a much better pick. We need to move on and not make excuses.

I think we will see that happen in time.

In another 12+ months time. Next year's trade deadline or the following season.

You really think that if Smart or IT become available, it'll be due to Terry Rozier?

I think if that happens, it'll be because the Celts are looking to trade for a big name and Smart and Isaiah are two of their best non-draft pick trade pieces.

It's not a sure thing but yeah I think Rozier has a good shot at unseating one of them.

Rozier has a very interesting mix of explosive athleticism, scoring instincts, driving ability and defensive chops. He has the base talent to grow a very good player.

[footey]

I think Rozier is going to be a better pro than Portis. Much more athletic, aggressive, play-making ability. Especially in the NBA the way it is played today. 

[oldtype]

I hate, hate, hate, hate, hated the Rozier pick, but having seen some of his raw athleticism lately, I think the "lottery ticket v. 9-to-5" characterization is fair.

Portis tops out as maybe Jared Sullinger. (Not that they're similar players, but roughly that level.) There's a tiny possibility that Rozier could be something more.

Mostly I just wanted RHJ though. Even one more backup guy who could defend wings would have made a humongous difference this year.

Sorry, I'm seeing him as much better than Sully, especially on the defensive end. I wanted Portis in the draft, we needed the size and length. By next years end, he'll be paying dividends for the Bulls.

Rozier seems like a talented guard, quick, athletic, but is he a point guard, or another undersized 2 guard?

"Much better" than Sullinger is an all-star or at least a borderline all-star player. It's cool that this guy is playing rotation minutes in his first year and he looks like he could trend towards being a productive starter, but I don't see how he could have that kind of upside given that he's a "jack of all trades, master of none" kind of guy.

There's no guarantee that Rozier ever sticks on an NBA roster yet, but he does seem to have outlier-level athleticism, so there is a path to stardom there if he ever has an epiphany and figures everything out.

[Granath]

Ainge was scratching lottery tickets instead of working the 9 to 5 with this one. That is exactly what we need. We have a bench full of Bobby Portis types, and if our season turned into a dumpster fire like Chicago's then we would be seeing a bunch more of Rozier and his statline might very well be comparable to Portis'. I keep seeing people cite this as a mistake by Ainge, and if the goal was "get the most productive player right now" then they might have a case. But it wasn't, so they don't.

Portis was my guy last year before the draft. But I wasn't that upset when Ainge took Rozier instead. He's made too many productive mid-1st picks that I'm not going to question him. You win some and you lose some and the win/loss on this has a long time before it's determined.

It's like I don't worry about the Fab Melo pick. The next 10 guys selected after Melo also were pretty lousy and most of those guys have also washed out by now. The fact that Draymond Green was selected 15 picks later doesn't make the Melo pick a bad pick. It was just a very thin draft at that point and you can pretty much count the guys who are serious contributors on one hand post-Melo pick. When it's that thin it's a crap shoot. Sometimes you get a Leon Powe. Once in a blue moon you get a Draymond Green. But usually you just wind up with a Fab Melo.

To me, a bad pick is when there are a strong contingent of players chosen right around the same pick as yours. Their guys pan out and yours doesn't - now that's the essence of a bad pick. When your odds are 1 in 8 of getting a productive player...that just means you didn't win the lottery that year.

[loco_91]

I didn't like the Rozier pick, and as of a few weeks ago I still was down on him. But Stevens is beginning to trust him, and he's looked pretty solid in limited minutes. At this point the jury is out. Even if he goes nowhere, though, Portis isn't exactly looking like a superstar... he's played pretty well and he'll have a career in this league, but let's not pretend that we missed on a Giannis-level talent.

[TheSlipperyWhistle]

Hi there...

OP, coming back at ya...

I think some people got what I was saying a little twisted...

1. Portis was a better player coming out of college
1a. Portis is a better player right now

2. Rozier has more upside
2a. With more minutes we will see if that upside is realized.

3. People were criticizing Ainge for the pick (recently...still)
3a. Where the hell was Portis going to get his minutes? from KO? from Sully?
3b. Why take another "solid" guy, swing for the fences with one of your 2.2 million draft picks.