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Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2016, 11:36:11 PM »

Offline manl_lui

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dont we have something rediculous like 8 picks total and 3 first rounders this year? we cant keep them all or we will have to let some players go!

If we fail to trade up some of our pick, we will probably not renew Amir's contract (it's a team's option) and might let Sully and might also let Zeller and Sully walk (depending on what they ask).

At any rate, if we get that many picks in the end, most of them, esp. second rounders, will play in the DLeague or China.

so quick question. Say we get the #2 or #3 pick with the Nets pick

if you were the GM who got the #1 pick (Philly, Suns)...would you trade the #1, for all 8 of the Celtics 2016 draft picks?

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2016, 11:50:54 PM »

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dont we have something rediculous like 8 picks total and 3 first rounders this year? we cant keep them all or we will have to let some players go!

If we fail to trade up some of our pick, we will probably not renew Amir's contract (it's a team's option) and might let Sully and might also let Zeller and Sully walk (depending on what they ask).

At any rate, if we get that many picks in the end, most of them, esp. second rounders, will play in the DLeague or China.

so quick question. Say we get the #2 or #3 pick with the Nets pick

if you were the GM who got the #1 pick (Philly, Suns)...would you trade the #1, for all 8 of the Celtics 2016 draft picks?

Pretty sure Philadelphia would make that trade because Hinkie has said numerous times that quantity of picks is important to him. He understands the draft is a crapshoot and wants as many chances as possible to get a quality pick.

I can't get a read on McDonough and Phoenix, but I don't think they would make that trade because they have enough young talent as well as picks. They would want to draft Ben Simmons at #1 overall since he has superstar potential.

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2016, 12:07:43 AM »

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Eight picks in this draft is just not enough. We need to add seven more so we can trade all of our current players for future draft choices and bring in 15 new players for next year. This is certainly the way to build our next championship team.

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2016, 01:23:48 AM »

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dont we have something rediculous like 8 picks total and 3 first rounders this year? we cant keep them all or we will have to let some players go!

If we fail to trade up some of our pick, we will probably not renew Amir's contract (it's a team's option) and might let Sully and might also let Zeller and Sully walk (depending on what they ask).

At any rate, if we get that many picks in the end, most of them, esp. second rounders, will play in the DLeague or China.

so quick question. Say we get the #2 or #3 pick with the Nets pick

if you were the GM who got the #1 pick (Philly, Suns)...would you trade the #1, for all 8 of the Celtics 2016 draft picks?

I think there's a legit chance.

Philly seems to have finally accepted the fact that the tank-a-thon approach isn't foolproof, and I think they have gotten well and truly tired of being the laughing stock of the NBA.

They have had numerous top picks over the past 3-4 years (Noel would have been #1 if healthy, Embiid went #3, Okafor went #3) and neither one of those guys has panned out as anywhere near what you would expect for a top 3 talent. 

In fact you could make a pretty legit argument that MCW (who was taken quite late in the draft) wasn't far off any of those three guys in terms of production in his first 2-3 seasons.

So I think one thing that Philly (if they have any wisdom) would have learned by now is that being really bad might guarantee you a high pick, but a high pick doesn't guarantee you a stud player. 

I mean they have had such bad luck that it's almost like Karma - the basketball gods punishing them for tanking so shamelessly while the teams like the Wolves and Knicks are showing off their nice shiny new pieces.

I think the Sixers also understand that they can't become a championship contender anytime soon with a roster that contains three talented centers and a bunch of scraps.  Neither Embiid, Noel or Okafor is running the point out there.

So yeah, I think by now they should be smart enough to realise they need to try something a bit different.  Offer them the #2 or #3 pick along with one or two established young prospects (e.g. Sully/Olynyk/Bradley) and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them bite on that.

Guys also need to realise, that you don't HAVE to get the #1 pick to get a star.  There have been plenty of really nice players in the past who have  been drafted in the 3-15 range.

Example:
- Deron Williams (3rd overall in 2005)
- Chris Paul (4th overall in 2005)
- Brandon Roy (6th overall in 2006)
- Rudy Gay (8th overall in 2006)
- Al Horford (3rd overall in 2007)
- Mike Conley (4th overall in 2007)
- Joakhim Noah (9th overall in 2007)
- Russell Westbrook (4th overall in 2008)
- Kevin Love (5th overall in 2008)
- Danilo Gallinari (6th overall in 2008)
- Eric Gordon (7th overall in 2008)
- Brook Lopez (10th overall in 2008)
- James Harden (3rd overall in 2009)
- Tyreke Evans (4th Overall in 2009)
- Stephen Curry (7th Overall in 2009)
- Demar Derozan (9th Overall in 2009)
- Derrick Favors (3rd Overall in 2010)
- Demarcus cousins (5th Overall in 2010)
- Greg Monroe (7th Overall in 2010)
- Gordon Hayward (9th Overall in 2010)
- Paul George (10th overall in 2010)
- Enes Kanter (3rd Overall in 2011)
- Kemba Walker (9th Overall in 2011)
- Klay Thompson (11th Overall in 2011)
- Kawhi Leonard (15th Overall in 2011)
- Bradley Beal (3rd Overall in 2012)
- Damian Lillard (6th Overall in 2012)
- Andre Drummond (9th Overall in 2012)
- Nerlens Noel (6th overall in 2013)
- CJ McCollum (10th Overall in 2013)
- Giannis (15th Overall in 2013)

I mean realistically, a pick in the 3-5 range probably has almost as much chance at pulling a star player as one in the 1-2 range.
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Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2016, 06:46:23 AM »

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dont we have something rediculous like 8 picks total and 3 first rounders this year? we cant keep them all or we will have to let some players go!

If we fail to trade up some of our pick, we will probably not renew Amir's contract (it's a team's option) and might let Sully and might also let Zeller and Sully walk (depending on what they ask).

At any rate, if we get that many picks in the end, most of them, esp. second rounders, will play in the DLeague or China.

so quick question. Say we get the #2 or #3 pick with the Nets pick

if you were the GM who got the #1 pick (Philly, Suns)...would you trade the #1, for all 8 of the Celtics 2016 draft picks?

Nah. Philly already three first rounders. And Hinkie's aim is to land a transcendent talent anyway, so he values quality over quantity at the draft.
Phoenix similarly has three first and a very high second rounder.
LAL which only has its own first and second round picks is a more interesting case IMO.

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2016, 06:53:33 AM »

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How many drafts that are billed as top-heavy like this one wind up having a player or two picked where supposedly things fall off a cliff winding up just as good or better than the hyped ones at the very top? A lot, I'd wager.

It's true.

Just look at the 2013 draft, which was supposed to be extremely weak. The best two prospects in the draft were taken in the second half of the first round, and one of the top two picks was an out-and-out bust.  Yet plenty of quality role players and even a number of starter-caliber guys have come from that draft.

I think the way to look at it is that a "weak" draft is one where the prospects are very difficult to assess.  A "strong" draft presents you with a deep selection of guys you feel very confident will turn into high quality players. 

A "weak" draft might produce just as many good players as the "strong" draft, but it's more of a crap shoot, so having a high pick isn't as valuable.
One of these two players is obviously Giannis, but I cannot find anyone else in the second half of the 2013 draft I would value higher than Noel, Alex Len, Oladipo or KCP.

Gobert (29) and Schroder (17) are both fine, you could argue their value is similar to the players mentioned above, but I wouldn't say it is higher.

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2016, 07:20:36 AM »

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We have so many there is no way we draft them all, even drafting and stashing.   I think some of them will be dealt.   Teams may figure their teams are not well composed after the season and DA will come calling.   I agree, that unless it is a superstar that the Nets pick should stay here if a top three pick.