The Cavs are Ridiculous

[KG Living Legend]

 What a comedy show. Did anyone see Tyrone Lue after his first win? He looked like a little kid, he refers to Lebron giving a speech.

 They barely beet the Twolves. This is not going to go well from here. They are all capped out, there team is built wierd, 200 million invested in Love and Thompson, God was that stupid.

 They probably still go to the finals, but they will get smoked again by The Warrior's or Spurs.

 This could get interesting folks with Lebron now the head coach. Lue as the head coach is upsurd, preposterous, asinine, lunacy.

 Good luck Lue. Don't make Lebron mad. Or your fired.

[slightly biased bias fan]

 What a comedy show. Did anyone see Tyrone Lue after his first win? He looked like a little kid, he refers to Lebron giving a speech.

 They barely beet the Twolves. This is not going to go well from here. They are all capped out, there team is built wierd, 200 million invested in Love and Thompson, God was that stupid.

 They probably still go to the finals, but they will get smoked again by The Warrior's or Spurs.

 This could get interesting folks with Lebron now the head coach. Lue as the head coach is upsurd, preposterous, asinine, lunacy.

 Good luck Lue. Don't make Lebron mad. Or your fired.

I think its absurd that any time anything contentions happens around Lebron, it's automatically his fault.

How can you forget that Lue was an extremely loved assistant here for 4 years and I wouldn't have been surprised if he got the top job if Ainge didn't get Stevens. Secondly Lue was hired as Cavs assistant well before Lebron came back to Cavs and Lue was given the highest paid assistant contract in NBA history, essentially being earmarked as the HC automatically.

All these decisions in the last season and a half are made by GM knowing that Lebron is their best player and only has a small window of 2-3 years to win a title and without the GSW (possibly the greatest team ever assembled) they would have already achieved that. Lebron would get the gist of everything the same as every other star play, do you really think GSW would sack or trade someone without running it by Curry?

At the time of the Wiggins/Love trade 90% of people on here agreed with the decision and its only been the emergence of pace and space that has turning it into a bad decision (look whats happened at the Grizzlies).

Thompson contract again had to be done otherwise someone else would be giving him that bad contract, essentially the Cavs are being lowballed by the players agents knowing that the Cavs are in win now mode and can't afford to lose any important pieces.

None of these things are Lebron's fault, the only thing I can't understand is his reluctance at playing PF and maybe because he is 'the king' he can get away with refusing to play there on a regular basis.

[KG Living Legend]

 It's always Lebron's fault.

[Smartacus]

 What a comedy show. Did anyone see Tyrone Lue after his first win? He looked like a little kid, he refers to Lebron giving a speech.

 They barely beet the Twolves. This is not going to go well from here. They are all capped out, there team is built wierd, 200 million invested in Love and Thompson, God was that stupid.

 They probably still go to the finals, but they will get smoked again by The Warrior's or Spurs.

 This could get interesting folks with Lebron now the head coach. Lue as the head coach is upsurd, preposterous, asinine, lunacy.

 Good luck Lue. Don't make Lebron mad. Or your fired.

I think its absurd that any time anything contentions happens around Lebron, it's automatically his fault.

How can you forget that Lue was an extremely loved assistant here for 4 years and I wouldn't have been surprised if he got the top job if Ainge didn't get Stevens. Secondly Lue was hired as Cavs assistant well before Lebron came back to Cavs and Lue was given the highest paid assistant contract in NBA history, essentially being earmarked as the HC automatically.

All these decisions in the last season and a half are made by GM knowing that Lebron is their best player and only has a small window of 2-3 years to win a title and without the GSW (possibly the greatest team ever assembled) they would have already achieved that. Lebron would get the gist of everything the same as every other star play, do you really think GSW would sack or trade someone without running it by Curry?

At the time of the Wiggins/Love trade 90% of people on here agreed with the decision and its only been the emergence of pace and space that has turning it into a bad decision (look whats happened at the Grizzlies).

Thompson contract again had to be done otherwise someone else would be giving him that bad contract, essentially the Cavs are being lowballed by the players agents knowing that the Cavs are in win now mode and can't afford to lose any important pieces.

None of these things are Lebron's fault, the only thing I can't understand is his reluctance at playing PF and maybe because he is 'the king' he can get away with refusing to play there on a regular basis.

No it didn't,  the Cavs could have taken a step back really asked themselves what tying up that kind of money in a player like Thompson would mean for their future when they already had Love.

The Bulls front office was notorious for playing hard ball with their free agents in the Jordan era. They always knew at the end of the day people would want to play with the best player and that gave them a stategic advantage in negotiations. Did it lead to hard feelings? Yes. Did it lead to a well managed cap? Absolutley.

That kind of of negotiating takes stones sometimes you just need to save a team from themselves. It's not revisionist history to say paying out Tristan Thompson was a mistake, it's common sense.

Final point, who were they bidding against? Toronto? Portland? Teams that were hiding in the shadows floating rumors instead of offering RFA contracts. A GM like Pat Riley wouldn't have allowed himself to get locked in to TT's contract unless he knew he'd have a real spot for him and not the one foot in one foot out approach that Cleveland takes with him.

[LarBrd33]

Is Tyrone Lue the first NBA head coach to have previously worn cornrows or did Scott Skiles have them back in the day ?

[KG Living Legend]

 He's not even a coach, more like one of Santa's little helpers.

[slightly biased bias fan]

 What a comedy show. Did anyone see Tyrone Lue after his first win? He looked like a little kid, he refers to Lebron giving a speech.

 They barely beet the Twolves. This is not going to go well from here. They are all capped out, there team is built wierd, 200 million invested in Love and Thompson, God was that stupid.

 They probably still go to the finals, but they will get smoked again by The Warrior's or Spurs.

 This could get interesting folks with Lebron now the head coach. Lue as the head coach is upsurd, preposterous, asinine, lunacy.

 Good luck Lue. Don't make Lebron mad. Or your fired.

I think its absurd that any time anything contentions happens around Lebron, it's automatically his fault.

How can you forget that Lue was an extremely loved assistant here for 4 years and I wouldn't have been surprised if he got the top job if Ainge didn't get Stevens. Secondly Lue was hired as Cavs assistant well before Lebron came back to Cavs and Lue was given the highest paid assistant contract in NBA history, essentially being earmarked as the HC automatically.

All these decisions in the last season and a half are made by GM knowing that Lebron is their best player and only has a small window of 2-3 years to win a title and without the GSW (possibly the greatest team ever assembled) they would have already achieved that. Lebron would get the gist of everything the same as every other star play, do you really think GSW would sack or trade someone without running it by Curry?

At the time of the Wiggins/Love trade 90% of people on here agreed with the decision and its only been the emergence of pace and space that has turning it into a bad decision (look whats happened at the Grizzlies).

Thompson contract again had to be done otherwise someone else would be giving him that bad contract, essentially the Cavs are being lowballed by the players agents knowing that the Cavs are in win now mode and can't afford to lose any important pieces.

None of these things are Lebron's fault, the only thing I can't understand is his reluctance at playing PF and maybe because he is 'the king' he can get away with refusing to play there on a regular basis.

No it didn't,  the Cavs could have taken a step back really asked themselves what tying up that kind of money in a player like Thompson would mean for their future when they already had Love.

The Bulls front office was notorious for playing hard ball with their free agents in the Jordan era. They always knew at the end of the day people would want to play with the best player and that gave them a stategic advantage in negotiations. Did it lead to hard feelings? Yes. Did it lead to a well managed cap? Absolutley.

That kind of of negotiating takes stones sometimes you just need to save a team from themselves. It's not revisionist history to say paying out Tristan Thompson was a mistake, it's common sense.

Final point, who were they bidding against? Toronto? Portland? Teams that were hiding in the shadows floating rumors instead of offering RFA contracts. A GM like Pat Riley wouldn't have allowed himself to get locked in to TT's contract unless he knew he'd have a real spot for him and not the one foot in one foot out approach that Cleveland takes with him.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25294798/report-three-teams-willing-to-max-out-tristan-thompson-next-summer

If they didn't resign Thompson they would have been over the cap anyway thus the need to resign unless you would find it adequate to replace Thompson with a min guy

[Smartacus]

 What a comedy show. Did anyone see Tyrone Lue after his first win? He looked like a little kid, he refers to Lebron giving a speech.

 They barely beet the Twolves. This is not going to go well from here. They are all capped out, there team is built wierd, 200 million invested in Love and Thompson, God was that stupid.

 They probably still go to the finals, but they will get smoked again by The Warrior's or Spurs.

 This could get interesting folks with Lebron now the head coach. Lue as the head coach is upsurd, preposterous, asinine, lunacy.

 Good luck Lue. Don't make Lebron mad. Or your fired.

I think its absurd that any time anything contentions happens around Lebron, it's automatically his fault.

How can you forget that Lue was an extremely loved assistant here for 4 years and I wouldn't have been surprised if he got the top job if Ainge didn't get Stevens. Secondly Lue was hired as Cavs assistant well before Lebron came back to Cavs and Lue was given the highest paid assistant contract in NBA history, essentially being earmarked as the HC automatically.

All these decisions in the last season and a half are made by GM knowing that Lebron is their best player and only has a small window of 2-3 years to win a title and without the GSW (possibly the greatest team ever assembled) they would have already achieved that. Lebron would get the gist of everything the same as every other star play, do you really think GSW would sack or trade someone without running it by Curry?

At the time of the Wiggins/Love trade 90% of people on here agreed with the decision and its only been the emergence of pace and space that has turning it into a bad decision (look whats happened at the Grizzlies).

Thompson contract again had to be done otherwise someone else would be giving him that bad contract, essentially the Cavs are being lowballed by the players agents knowing that the Cavs are in win now mode and can't afford to lose any important pieces.

None of these things are Lebron's fault, the only thing I can't understand is his reluctance at playing PF and maybe because he is 'the king' he can get away with refusing to play there on a regular basis.

No it didn't,  the Cavs could have taken a step back really asked themselves what tying up that kind of money in a player like Thompson would mean for their future when they already had Love.

The Bulls front office was notorious for playing hard ball with their free agents in the Jordan era. They always knew at the end of the day people would want to play with the best player and that gave them a stategic advantage in negotiations. Did it lead to hard feelings? Yes. Did it lead to a well managed cap? Absolutley.

That kind of of negotiating takes stones sometimes you just need to save a team from themselves. It's not revisionist history to say paying out Tristan Thompson was a mistake, it's common sense.

Final point, who were they bidding against? Toronto? Portland? Teams that were hiding in the shadows floating rumors instead of offering RFA contracts. A GM like Pat Riley wouldn't have allowed himself to get locked in to TT's contract unless he knew he'd have a real spot for him and not the one foot in one foot out approach that Cleveland takes with him.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25294798/report-three-teams-willing-to-max-out-tristan-thompson-next-summer

If they didn't resign Thompson they would have been over the cap anyway thus the need to resign unless you would find it adequate to replace Thompson with a min guy

The link you posted was more shadowy unsubstantiated rumors, again its just Toronto and mystery teams. They could have either called Thompson's bluff and take a step backwards to move forwards or pay him way above market value for a position they dont need. They chose the easiser option.

But if you want to go deeper as to why they were capped out to begin with, Anderson Varejao is on the books through 17/18 at $10 million+. You now have 3 of Top 5 highest payed players as hustle rebounding PF/C's... 4 of your top 7 if you count Mozgov.

They wouldn't have been replacing Thompson with a Min guy but with a "$10 mil a year guy" they already have locked up for the next 2 seasons in Varejao who currently sees no time (they couldn't even leverage a team option for the final year!).

If LeBron doesn't like it you accuse him never being serious about turning Cleveland into a real competetor in the first place. Cleveland dug themselves into a hole and are trying to get themselves out by digging deeper. Letting TT walk would have been a tough choice but those hard decisions are what separate the great FO's to the mediocre ones.

[Moranis]

 What a comedy show. Did anyone see Tyrone Lue after his first win? He looked like a little kid, he refers to Lebron giving a speech.

 They barely beet the Twolves. This is not going to go well from here. They are all capped out, there team is built wierd, 200 million invested in Love and Thompson, God was that stupid.

 They probably still go to the finals, but they will get smoked again by The Warrior's or Spurs.

 This could get interesting folks with Lebron now the head coach. Lue as the head coach is upsurd, preposterous, asinine, lunacy.

 Good luck Lue. Don't make Lebron mad. Or your fired.

I think its absurd that any time anything contentions happens around Lebron, it's automatically his fault.

How can you forget that Lue was an extremely loved assistant here for 4 years and I wouldn't have been surprised if he got the top job if Ainge didn't get Stevens. Secondly Lue was hired as Cavs assistant well before Lebron came back to Cavs and Lue was given the highest paid assistant contract in NBA history, essentially being earmarked as the HC automatically.

All these decisions in the last season and a half are made by GM knowing that Lebron is their best player and only has a small window of 2-3 years to win a title and without the GSW (possibly the greatest team ever assembled) they would have already achieved that. Lebron would get the gist of everything the same as every other star play, do you really think GSW would sack or trade someone without running it by Curry?

At the time of the Wiggins/Love trade 90% of people on here agreed with the decision and its only been the emergence of pace and space that has turning it into a bad decision (look whats happened at the Grizzlies).

Thompson contract again had to be done otherwise someone else would be giving him that bad contract, essentially the Cavs are being lowballed by the players agents knowing that the Cavs are in win now mode and can't afford to lose any important pieces.

None of these things are Lebron's fault, the only thing I can't understand is his reluctance at playing PF and maybe because he is 'the king' he can get away with refusing to play there on a regular basis.

No it didn't,  the Cavs could have taken a step back really asked themselves what tying up that kind of money in a player like Thompson would mean for their future when they already had Love.

The Bulls front office was notorious for playing hard ball with their free agents in the Jordan era. They always knew at the end of the day people would want to play with the best player and that gave them a stategic advantage in negotiations. Did it lead to hard feelings? Yes. Did it lead to a well managed cap? Absolutley.

That kind of of negotiating takes stones sometimes you just need to save a team from themselves. It's not revisionist history to say paying out Tristan Thompson was a mistake, it's common sense.

Final point, who were they bidding against? Toronto? Portland? Teams that were hiding in the shadows floating rumors instead of offering RFA contracts. A GM like Pat Riley wouldn't have allowed himself to get locked in to TT's contract unless he knew he'd have a real spot for him and not the one foot in one foot out approach that Cleveland takes with him.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25294798/report-three-teams-willing-to-max-out-tristan-thompson-next-summer

If they didn't resign Thompson they would have been over the cap anyway thus the need to resign unless you would find it adequate to replace Thompson with a min guy

The link you posted was more shadowy unsubstantiated rumors, again its just Toronto and mystery teams. They could have either called Thompson's bluff and take a step backwards to move forwards or pay him way above market value for a position they dont need. They chose the easiser option.

But if you want to go deeper as to why they were capped out to begin with, Anderson Varejao is on the books through 17/18 at $10 million+. You now have 3 of Top 5 highest payed players as hustle rebounding PF/C's... 4 of your top 7 if you count Mozgov.

They wouldn't have been replacing Thompson with a Min guy but with a "$10 mil a year guy" they already have locked up for the next 2 seasons in Varejao who currently sees no time (they couldn't even leverage a team option for the final year!).

If LeBron doesn't like it you accuse him never being serious about turning Cleveland into a real competetor in the first place. Cleveland dug themselves into a hole and are trying to get themselves out by digging deeper. Letting TT walk would have been a tough choice but those hard decisions are what separate the great FO's to the mediocre ones.

Except Cleveland was well over the cap whether they signed Thompson or didn't, so his signing made absolutely no difference to their flexibility.  Even with the increase in cap this summer, Cleveland would still be over it and thus wouldn't have had flexibility anyway.  Sure, they probably overpaid for Thompson, but that signing doesn't affect the franchise's ability to sign other players at all (except for the roster spot).  They wouldn't have found a minimum contract player as good as Thompson and since signing him affected nothing, they had to sign him.