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Re: Sully/K.O. to start tonight
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2016, 11:52:47 AM »

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I have been calling for Olynyk and Sullinger to start for a long time.
Amir is 105 years old.
More like 28, but sure.

People act like he's in a walker. They don't realize he's actually pretty young.

Re: Sully/K.O. to start tonight
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2016, 12:04:33 PM »

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I have been calling for Olynyk and Sullinger to start for a long time.
Amir is 105 years old.
More like 28, but sure.

People act like he's in a walker. They don't realize he's actually pretty young.

Probably because he's been in the league for 11 years. Interestingly enough, he was the last player to ever be drafted out of high school before the rule change.
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Re: Sully/K.O. to start tonight
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2016, 12:05:13 PM »

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  They are statistically the Celtics most dominant pairing so far this year.  They are averaging a +/- per 48 minutes of +21.4 points.  They are the best offensive duo averaging 117.2 points per 48.  Offensive rating of 112.1 and defensive rating of 94.1 for a net rating of +18.0 on the year. 

    In their 1 and only previous start this year they killed Charlotte on the road in 22 minutes together.  They had an Off. rat. of 109.2 and a Def. rat. of 80.5 for a Net rat. of +28.7 in that game.

And that's with Sully only passing to KO 25 times all year. Just imagine if Sully also maximized, rather than minimized, KO's offense when the two were out there together.

I noticed a few times when it seemed Sullinger ignored the better option in Olynyk. I am biased in that I don't think Sullinger is a match for this team long-term.

These guys are in direct competition. Celtics Pride says one must be selfless and help both their teammates and their own games, a one for all, all for one mentality.

Seven guys have contracts up. That's half the team with unclear futures.

Isaiah Thomas is the only Celtic with the skill set to ball hog or assert himself in Captain-like fashion.

One image last night made me stop and wonder. Maybe I was seeing things that weren't there. It was during a timeout. I think Smart and Kelly were side by side in the flow of life and getting in their breathers. To the side alone I could also see Evan Turner and he was looking over at them. He was clearly daydreaming. If my hunch is correct, he was thinking about his life and future as an NBA player and perhaps that his days as a Celtic could be numbered.

Bass and Humphries never flinched under the same pressures. They were professional and good teammates until the day they were no longer on the team.

I don't get the same feeling from Sullinger and Turner. It is perhaps easier for Lee because he has already been relegated to the deep abyss portion of the bench.

These things go on all the time especially during the trading seasons. It is a reflection on human nature. Some guys can forget about the uncertainty and accept it as part of life and simply try their best. Others seem more interested in establishing their personal power on the team. I remember Tony Allen. He wasn't a Bogans and disruptive. But then it turned out he was probably never going to resign with Danny. He wanted more of a career than carrying water for Paul and Ray.

I think Sullinger and Turner might be both realizing that their time in Boston is nearing the end. Sully needed to get into shape. Turner needed to tighten his game and stop turning the ball over. I predict neither player is on the Celtics next year. I think it's more likely Amir returns unless he has become damaged goods. Like Koz says, he is only 28.

Every team needs some older players. Amir at 28 is the right age for such a teammate. He must have at least three more "prime" years and has proven he is a winner who plays the game the right way.

Sully and KO works because they have been together now for a number of years. Even Zeller has the ability to fit in because he knows the plays and his teammates very well.

I don't know if the problem is a lack of practice time or injuries banging up players, but this team is hitting a couple turning points. Right now the players are sweating it out until the trade deadline passes. Then there will be the Summer silly season.

I'm not rooting against Sully and Turner, but I wasn't rooting against Jordan Crawford or Humphries. I am a realist.

Re: Sully/K.O. to start tonight
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2016, 12:42:31 PM »

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  They are statistically the Celtics most dominant pairing so far this year.  They are averaging a +/- per 48 minutes of +21.4 points.  They are the best offensive duo averaging 117.2 points per 48.  Offensive rating of 112.1 and defensive rating of 94.1 for a net rating of +18.0 on the year. 

    In their 1 and only previous start this year they killed Charlotte on the road in 22 minutes together.  They had an Off. rat. of 109.2 and a Def. rat. of 80.5 for a Net rat. of +28.7 in that game.

And that's with Sully only passing to KO 25 times all year. Just imagine if Sully also maximized, rather than minimized, KO's offense when the two were out there together.

Not sure where you can get those types of stats, can you link me to them?

It'll be worth pointing out that Olynyk with Sullinger off the floor for the season has an eFG% of 51.4%, and with Sullinger on the floor he has an eFG% of 66.7%. All this while taking about the same amount of shot attempts per possession of when Sullinger is off the floor or on the floor with him.

In fact, when Olynyk is paired up with Amir he takes even less shots per possessions.

So hard to correlate "passing to him" as an event that actually hinders Olynyk's offensive game, particularly when Sullinger gets the ball it's usually for one of three actions... take an open shot, a hand-off to one of our guards/wings, a post up situation.

In all a big meh on this, but curious about the stat regardless.
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Re: Sully/K.O. to start tonight
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2016, 01:19:38 PM »

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People were laughing at the thought of these two ever being legit NBA starters. 

They are still not quite there, but you can see the dynamics between the two.   

Especially the combine bbiqs.   Barely ever turnovers


Re: Sully/K.O. to start tonight
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2016, 04:10:50 PM »

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  They are statistically the Celtics most dominant pairing so far this year.  They are averaging a +/- per 48 minutes of +21.4 points.  They are the best offensive duo averaging 117.2 points per 48.  Offensive rating of 112.1 and defensive rating of 94.1 for a net rating of +18.0 on the year. 

    In their 1 and only previous start this year they killed Charlotte on the road in 22 minutes together.  They had an Off. rat. of 109.2 and a Def. rat. of 80.5 for a Net rat. of +28.7 in that game.

And that's with Sully only passing to KO 25 times all year. Just imagine if Sully also maximized, rather than minimized, KO's offense when the two were out there together.

Not sure where you can get those types of stats, can you link me to them?

It'll be worth pointing out that Olynyk with Sullinger off the floor for the season has an eFG% of 51.4%, and with Sullinger on the floor he has an eFG% of 66.7%. All this while taking about the same amount of shot attempts per possession of when Sullinger is off the floor or on the floor with him.

In fact, when Olynyk is paired up with Amir he takes even less shots per possessions.

So hard to correlate "passing to him" as an event that actually hinders Olynyk's offensive game, particularly when Sullinger gets the ball it's usually for one of three actions... take an open shot, a hand-off to one of our guards/wings, a post up situation.

In all a big meh on this, but curious about the stat regardless.
Just go to NBA.COM they have them and basically everything worth looking at. 

Re: Sully/K.O. to start tonight
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2016, 04:28:50 PM »

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  The K.O./Sully pairing finished the game with a +16 against the Bulls bringing them to +84 for the year in 173 minutes together on the floor.  They are now on the year so far both the #1 Offensive rated pairing at 114.1, and the #1 Defensive pairing at 92.7 (minimum 20 games played).  In the Bulls game they had an Off. Rat. of 129.7 and a Def. Rat. of 82.5 for a net of 47.1. 

Re: Sully/K.O. to start tonight
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2016, 04:32:25 PM »

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  They are statistically the Celtics most dominant pairing so far this year.  They are averaging a +/- per 48 minutes of +21.4 points.  They are the best offensive duo averaging 117.2 points per 48.  Offensive rating of 112.1 and defensive rating of 94.1 for a net rating of +18.0 on the year. 

    In their 1 and only previous start this year they killed Charlotte on the road in 22 minutes together.  They had an Off. rat. of 109.2 and a Def. rat. of 80.5 for a Net rat. of +28.7 in that game.

And that's with Sully only passing to KO 25 times all year. Just imagine if Sully also maximized, rather than minimized, KO's offense when the two were out there together.

Not sure where you can get those types of stats, can you link me to them?

It'll be worth pointing out that Olynyk with Sullinger off the floor for the season has an eFG% of 51.4%, and with Sullinger on the floor he has an eFG% of 66.7%. All this while taking about the same amount of shot attempts per possession of when Sullinger is off the floor or on the floor with him.

In fact, when Olynyk is paired up with Amir he takes even less shots per possessions.

So hard to correlate "passing to him" as an event that actually hinders Olynyk's offensive game, particularly when Sullinger gets the ball it's usually for one of three actions... take an open shot, a hand-off to one of our guards/wings, a post up situation.

In all a big meh on this, but curious about the stat regardless.
Just go to NBA.COM they have them and basically everything worth looking at. 

Yeah, I've always had trouble loading that. Finally managed to get it to work, thanks.

So I guess since yesterday (I assume that's why the stats changed) Sullinger has made a total of 29 passes to Olynyk.

I'll also mentioned that Olynyk has made the incredible amount of 33 passes in turn to Sullinger.

Findings hold up what I mentioned regardless, passes are usually made to our guards/wings. It also illustrates how little Kelly/Sullinger have shared the court together this season.

Re: Sully/K.O. to start tonight
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2016, 04:51:40 PM »

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  They are statistically the Celtics most dominant pairing so far this year.  They are averaging a +/- per 48 minutes of +21.4 points.  They are the best offensive duo averaging 117.2 points per 48.  Offensive rating of 112.1 and defensive rating of 94.1 for a net rating of +18.0 on the year. 

    In their 1 and only previous start this year they killed Charlotte on the road in 22 minutes together.  They had an Off. rat. of 109.2 and a Def. rat. of 80.5 for a Net rat. of +28.7 in that game.

And that's with Sully only passing to KO 25 times all year. Just imagine if Sully also maximized, rather than minimized, KO's offense when the two were out there together.

Not sure where you can get those types of stats, can you link me to them?

It'll be worth pointing out that Olynyk with Sullinger off the floor for the season has an eFG% of 51.4%, and with Sullinger on the floor he has an eFG% of 66.7%. All this while taking about the same amount of shot attempts per possession of when Sullinger is off the floor or on the floor with him.

In fact, when Olynyk is paired up with Amir he takes even less shots per possessions.

So hard to correlate "passing to him" as an event that actually hinders Olynyk's offensive game, particularly when Sullinger gets the ball it's usually for one of three actions... take an open shot, a hand-off to one of our guards/wings, a post up situation.

In all a big meh on this, but curious about the stat regardless.
Just go to NBA.COM they have them and basically everything worth looking at. 

Yeah, I've always had trouble loading that. Finally managed to get it to work, thanks.

So I guess since yesterday (I assume that's why the stats changed) Sullinger has made a total of 29 passes to Olynyk.

I'll also mentioned that Olynyk has made the incredible amount of 33 passes in turn to Sullinger.

Findings hold up what I mentioned regardless, passes are usually made to our guards/wings. It also illustrates how little Kelly/Sullinger have shared the court together this season.
The low amount of passes between K.O. and Sully is more about the offense and the ball dominance of I.T. and E.T.  They don't get a lot of opportunities in the high post and other areas that would allow passes between the 2 to occur.  It's something that I have said before that the way K.O. is used is going to change.  The ball should be put in his hands a lot more and move away from the way to guard ball dominated offense some.  That little over the top pass to Crowder from K.O. on the wing where he blew the lay up yesterday was sweet.