Danilo Gallinari fit?

[alldaboston]

Gallo is shooting under 40%..... a decent 36% from three...  His offensive stats are inflated.   How is he defensively?

Over the past couple months, Jae Crowder has been better offensively than Gallo.  They play the same position.  Not sure Gallo should be the target anymore.   I'd look for a shooting guard upgrade over Bradley/Smart... or a better defensive anchor at the center position.  Depending on who we trade and who is left on the roster, I'm probably fine with Olynyk as our PF.

Why can't you play both at the same time? Crowder has shown the ability to guard 4's, he could defend whichever opponent is a bigger threat, at the 3 or the 4.

I'd rather not play Crowder out of position and get smaller just for the sake of adding Gallo at 14 mil per year.  I don't think that really even moves the needle enough for it to matter.

I heard that Ainge is unlikely to lock up money for someone like gallo anyways.  The team wants to have a shot at signing multiple max contract players this Summer.

Last season Gallinari played more of his minutes as a pf than as an SF. Last year his team had a positive differential with him at PF and a negative one with him at SF. He is absolutely better at a stretch 4 than as a 3. (source 82 games)

I can't find any data with his numbers split up by position for this season, but lineups with him at the 4 have better net ratings than those with him playing the 3. Gallo is better at the 4, Jae is better at the 3, I don't see what the issue is.

As to not wanting to clog up the cap with his contract, this is why I see a Gallinari trade as far more likely in the offseason when Danny has seen that he isn't going to do better in the free agent market.

I expect us not to be able to sign someone better than Gallo in free agency so I would make this move now, but if we are able to draft Ingram or Simmons, (both would slot well next to Crowder) then there isn't really room for Gallo

I don't care if Gallo was better playing PF next to whoever they had playing SF compared to playing SF next to whoever they had at PF...

I don't think he'd be a good fit at PF here.   He's a SF.  Crowder is a SF.   I wouldn't play them together. 

As long as Crowder keeps up this level of play, I don't see the point in getting Gallo. 

Sure, depending on who we gave up, the addition of Gallo would make us slightly better... but either way we aren't contending.  I'd rather we focus on adding pieces that upgrade our weaker positions.

I'm not sure how you can just decide that Danilo is an Sf even if he played better and more often last year at the 4. Can you explain this to me?

There are more 4's that will struggle to guard him than ones that he will struggle to guard. The days of the big post scoring 4's are over Gallo is the direction the position is going in.
 
Danilo would provide the shooting, and steady scoring ( almost 8 ft attempts a game).

Who else was in the lineup with him playing PF compared to the lineups with him playing SF?  Show me names.

Most of the positive lineups feature Gallo next to either Faried or Arthur.

Most of the negative lineups with him at the 3 have two of Faried, Arthur, Lauverne, Jokic, and Hickson. Any lineup with more than one non 3 point shooter does poorly for the Nuggets which is also something that can be seen with our lineups.

TP

[LarBrd33]

Gallo is shooting under 40%..... a decent 36% from three...  His offensive stats are inflated.   How is he defensively?

Over the past couple months, Jae Crowder has been better offensively than Gallo.  They play the same position.  Not sure Gallo should be the target anymore.   I'd look for a shooting guard upgrade over Bradley/Smart... or a better defensive anchor at the center position.  Depending on who we trade and who is left on the roster, I'm probably fine with Olynyk as our PF.

Why can't you play both at the same time? Crowder has shown the ability to guard 4's, he could defend whichever opponent is a bigger threat, at the 3 or the 4.

I'd rather not play Crowder out of position and get smaller just for the sake of adding Gallo at 14 mil per year.  I don't think that really even moves the needle enough for it to matter.

I heard that Ainge is unlikely to lock up money for someone like gallo anyways.  The team wants to have a shot at signing multiple max contract players this Summer.

Last season Gallinari played more of his minutes as a pf than as an SF. Last year his team had a positive differential with him at PF and a negative one with him at SF. He is absolutely better at a stretch 4 than as a 3. (source 82 games)

I can't find any data with his numbers split up by position for this season, but lineups with him at the 4 have better net ratings than those with him playing the 3. Gallo is better at the 4, Jae is better at the 3, I don't see what the issue is.

As to not wanting to clog up the cap with his contract, this is why I see a Gallinari trade as far more likely in the offseason when Danny has seen that he isn't going to do better in the free agent market.

I expect us not to be able to sign someone better than Gallo in free agency so I would make this move now, but if we are able to draft Ingram or Simmons, (both would slot well next to Crowder) then there isn't really room for Gallo

I don't care if Gallo was better playing PF next to whoever they had playing SF compared to playing SF next to whoever they had at PF...

I don't think he'd be a good fit at PF here.   He's a SF.  Crowder is a SF.   I wouldn't play them together. 

As long as Crowder keeps up this level of play, I don't see the point in getting Gallo. 

Sure, depending on who we gave up, the addition of Gallo would make us slightly better... but either way we aren't contending.  I'd rather we focus on adding pieces that upgrade our weaker positions.

I'm not sure how you can just decide that Danilo is an Sf even if he played better and more often last year at the 4. Can you explain this to me?

There are more 4's that will struggle to guard him than ones that he will struggle to guard. The days of the big post scoring 4's are over Gallo is the direction the position is going in.
 
Danilo would provide the shooting, and steady scoring ( almost 8 ft attempts a game).

Who else was in the lineup with him playing PF compared to the lineups with him playing SF?  Show me names.

Most of the positive lineups feature Gallo next to either Faried or Arthur.

Most of the negative lineups with him at the 3 have two of Faried, Arthur, Lauverne, Jokic, and Hickson. Any lineup with more than one non 3 point shooter does poorly for the Nuggets which is also something that can be seen with our lineups.

TP

Evantime, send me a link.  It seems you're basically saying that Gallo is better when playing next to better players... not that he plays better playing Power forward.

If we need better shooting at the PF position, we can give more minutes to Olynyk.  I'm not sure adding Gallo and sticking him at PF is a priority.

[LooseCannon]

Most people are talking about Gallinari vs Crowder.  Ideally, Gallinari provides a massive upgrade over Evan Turner as a better defender, three-point shooter, and scorer and also takes minutes from Jerebko, the two weakest players getting regular minutes.  Gallo/Crowder as forwards in a smallball lineup?  What about moving Crowder to SG in a big lineup occasionally?

[Evantime34]

Gallo is shooting under 40%..... a decent 36% from three...  His offensive stats are inflated.   How is he defensively?

Over the past couple months, Jae Crowder has been better offensively than Gallo.  They play the same position.  Not sure Gallo should be the target anymore.   I'd look for a shooting guard upgrade over Bradley/Smart... or a better defensive anchor at the center position.  Depending on who we trade and who is left on the roster, I'm probably fine with Olynyk as our PF.

Why can't you play both at the same time? Crowder has shown the ability to guard 4's, he could defend whichever opponent is a bigger threat, at the 3 or the 4.

I'd rather not play Crowder out of position and get smaller just for the sake of adding Gallo at 14 mil per year.  I don't think that really even moves the needle enough for it to matter.

I heard that Ainge is unlikely to lock up money for someone like gallo anyways.  The team wants to have a shot at signing multiple max contract players this Summer.

Last season Gallinari played more of his minutes as a pf than as an SF. Last year his team had a positive differential with him at PF and a negative one with him at SF. He is absolutely better at a stretch 4 than as a 3. (source 82 games)

I can't find any data with his numbers split up by position for this season, but lineups with him at the 4 have better net ratings than those with him playing the 3. Gallo is better at the 4, Jae is better at the 3, I don't see what the issue is.

As to not wanting to clog up the cap with his contract, this is why I see a Gallinari trade as far more likely in the offseason when Danny has seen that he isn't going to do better in the free agent market.

I expect us not to be able to sign someone better than Gallo in free agency so I would make this move now, but if we are able to draft Ingram or Simmons, (both would slot well next to Crowder) then there isn't really room for Gallo

I don't care if Gallo was better playing PF next to whoever they had playing SF compared to playing SF next to whoever they had at PF...

I don't think he'd be a good fit at PF here.   He's a SF.  Crowder is a SF.   I wouldn't play them together. 

As long as Crowder keeps up this level of play, I don't see the point in getting Gallo. 

Sure, depending on who we gave up, the addition of Gallo would make us slightly better... but either way we aren't contending.  I'd rather we focus on adding pieces that upgrade our weaker positions.

I'm not sure how you can just decide that Danilo is an Sf even if he played better and more often last year at the 4. Can you explain this to me?

There are more 4's that will struggle to guard him than ones that he will struggle to guard. The days of the big post scoring 4's are over Gallo is the direction the position is going in.
 
Danilo would provide the shooting, and steady scoring ( almost 8 ft attempts a game).

Who else was in the lineup with him playing PF compared to the lineups with him playing SF?  Show me names.

Most of the positive lineups feature Gallo next to either Faried or Arthur.

Most of the negative lineups with him at the 3 have two of Faried, Arthur, Lauverne, Jokic, and Hickson. Any lineup with more than one non 3 point shooter does poorly for the Nuggets which is also something that can be seen with our lineups.

TP

Evantime, send me a link.  It seems you're basically saying that Gallo is better when playing next to better players... not that he plays better playing Power forward.

If we need better shooting at the PF position, we can give more minutes to Olynyk.  I'm not sure adding Gallo and sticking him at PF is a priority.

http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612743

What i'm saying is, that he performs better when he is on the court with other players that can space the floor. Since he is pretty much their only floor spacing big, if he is playing next to two other bigs the floor isn't going to be spaced.

This is also an issue for the C's. Other than Sullinger and Amir (who both can spread the floor a little) pretty much all our successful lineups have at least one floor spacing big. Gallo would add a floor spacing big and help with what we are already trying to do.

The idea of moving Olynyk into the starting lineup if we need more offense instead of trading for Gallo has a flaw. Gallo is considerably better than Olynyk, even if Gallo doesn't shoot as high a percentage from 3 he provides consistent offense by getting to the line and when you consider him being the focal point of the offense his 3pt% is pretty good.

In the current NBA, where the majority of teams have 4 guys on the perimeter every possession and post ups are more rare than ever, idk why Gallo can't play the 4. He's 6'10 225 and played more of the 4 last year than this year, he wouldn't be replacing Crowder because he's more of a 4 than a 3 not the other way around.

[aingeforthree]

Most people are talking about Gallinari vs Crowder.  Ideally, Gallinari provides a massive upgrade over Evan Turner as a better defender, three-point shooter, and scorer and also takes minutes from Jerebko, the two weakest players getting regular minutes.  Gallo/Crowder as forwards in a smallball lineup?  What about moving Crowder to SG in a big lineup occasionally?

With his defensive ability, you can move him anywhere you really want to.   Add in Smart, and you have 2 guys out there you can throw on virtually anybody.

At times:

IT
Smart
Gallinari
Crowder
AJ/Sully/KO/JJ

[CroCorvus]

Why not. He's a good player, very good scorer. Rather have him then Tobias Harris.

[YoungOne87]

Why can't you play both at the same time? Crowder has shown the ability to guard 4's, he could defend whichever opponent is a bigger threat, at the 3 or the 4.

I'd rather not play Crowder out of position and get smaller just for the sake of adding Gallo at 14 mil per year.  I don't think that really even moves the needle enough for it to matter.

I heard that Ainge is unlikely to lock up money for someone like gallo anyways.  The team wants to have a shot at signing multiple max contract players this Summer.
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I'm with LarBrd33 on this one.  Getting Gallo and his $15 million salary commits us to small ball, not so great rebounding, and weakens the defense.  This is not the trade that moves the needle for the Celtics, just rearranges the talent.  Better shooting, but worse defense and rebounding playing Gallo and Crowder together at the 3 and 4.  What we need is a monster rebounder/shot blocker at the 4 or 5.  Or a dynamic scorer at the 2 who can still play good defense.
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the only player who fits this and is maybe available is derozan, other than that good luck finding one of this.

[arctic 3.0]

I know I'll likely get blasted for resurrecting this thread but it's better than starting a new one.

A line up I'd like to see is Smart, Crowder, Gallo, Micky, Amir.

This solves shot blocking, puts a beast of a defensive team on the court and should do fine offensively with Gallo and crowder as the 1&2 options respectively.

Bring Bradley, IT, turner, and Oly off the bench.
 Everyone else is either gone in trade or warming pine.