Does it bother anybody that Ainge apparently wanted Winslow over Porzingis?

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Since wiffed on Giorgi deng, Rodney hood, and Hollis Jefferson.  Danny's drafting acumen is fairly poor.  See our current state

and were you on record as wanting all of those players prior to the draft?

I know I was on record as wanting Dieng and Hood.  Dieng has been a decent backup center but not a world beater.  hasn't shown flashes at the level KO has.  I can live with the KO pick.   
I was ok with Young over Hood on draft night though I wanted Hood.  Young is still young while Hood had a couple of years on him.  Young's shown some improvement but not as much as I'd like.  if he hasn't made some significant improvement for next year, I'll go along with it was a really bad pick.

How about picking Olynyk over the Greek Freak?

no issues with that at all.  Greek Freak was pure speculation on potential and he's still not as good as Freak-lovers claim he is.  he's got a lot of athleticism but he's inconsistent just like KO.

Im sorry but I think only C's fans would still pick KO over Giannis. And not because KO can't play because he can.

It's not as wide of a gulf as some people make it out to be.  It's close enough and Olynyk is good enough that it can't be seen as a failure if you get an above-average player for that slot.  It's like criticizing the Rockets for taking Olajuwon instead if Jordan.

 Giannis is not some can't-miss future star at this point.  He still has a decent shot of turning out to be as valuable as a somewhat better but equally inconsistent Jeff Green.  I think he needs to be used more like a point forward than groomed to be a go-to scorer, like a better version of Evan Turner in the Celtics system.

You're underestimating the upside of GA, pure and simple.

He didn't talk about upside, only pointed out what he believes to be one of the however many possibilities.

You could argue he's underestimating the basement of GA.

Welcome to the blog. When evaluating the drafting of two players, their ceiling is the absolute point. Giannis is still very young, and improving. Folks who nitpick his game at this very early stage in his basketball development are missing the point.

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Since wiffed on Giorgi deng, Rodney hood, and Hollis Jefferson.  Danny's drafting acumen is fairly poor.  See our current state

and were you on record as wanting all of those players prior to the draft?

I know I was on record as wanting Dieng and Hood.  Dieng has been a decent backup center but not a world beater.  hasn't shown flashes at the level KO has.  I can live with the KO pick.   
I was ok with Young over Hood on draft night though I wanted Hood.  Young is still young while Hood had a couple of years on him.  Young's shown some improvement but not as much as I'd like.  if he hasn't made some significant improvement for next year, I'll go along with it was a really bad pick.

How about picking Olynyk over the Greek Freak?

no issues with that at all.  Greek Freak was pure speculation on potential and he's still not as good as Freak-lovers claim he is.  he's got a lot of athleticism but he's inconsistent just like KO.

Im sorry but I think only C's fans would still pick KO over Giannis. And not because KO can't play because he can.

It's not as wide of a gulf as some people make it out to be.  It's close enough and Olynyk is good enough that it can't be seen as a failure if you get an above-average player for that slot.  It's like criticizing the Rockets for taking Olajuwon instead if Jordan.

 Giannis is not some can't-miss future star at this point.  He still has a decent shot of turning out to be as valuable as a somewhat better but equally inconsistent Jeff Green.  I think he needs to be used more like a point forward than groomed to be a go-to scorer, like a better version of Evan Turner in the Celtics system.

You're underestimating the upside of GA, pure and simple.

He didn't talk about upside, only pointed out what he believes to be one of the however many possibilities.

You could argue he's underestimating the basement of GA.

Welcome to the blog. When evaluating the drafting of two players, their ceiling is the absolute point. Giannis is still very young, and improving. Folks who nitpick his game at this very early stage in his basketball development are missing the point.

I'd disagree.  You certainly need to look at ceiling, but the likelihood of reaching that ceiling matters hugely.  Look at the Spurs.  Rarely do they draft on athletic upside.  Instead they've found guys with solid skill sets who can fit into their system, Leonard being an obvious exception.

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At the draft I definetly wanted Winslow way more than Snaps.


Then I wanted Fab Melo too....LOL........point is

I'm just a fan . 

Danny's job is FINDING talent from the college entry level ranks .

With this ......I have a problem

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Since wiffed on Giorgi deng, Rodney hood, and Hollis Jefferson.  Danny's drafting acumen is fairly poor.  See our current state

and were you on record as wanting all of those players prior to the draft?

I know I was on record as wanting Dieng and Hood.  Dieng has been a decent backup center but not a world beater.  hasn't shown flashes at the level KO has.  I can live with the KO pick.   
I was ok with Young over Hood on draft night though I wanted Hood.  Young is still young while Hood had a couple of years on him.  Young's shown some improvement but not as much as I'd like.  if he hasn't made some significant improvement for next year, I'll go along with it was a really bad pick.

How about picking Olynyk over the Greek Freak?

no issues with that at all.  Greek Freak was pure speculation on potential and he's still not as good as Freak-lovers claim he is.  he's got a lot of athleticism but he's inconsistent just like KO.

Im sorry but I think only C's fans would still pick KO over Giannis. And not because KO can't play because he can.

It's not as wide of a gulf as some people make it out to be.  It's close enough and Olynyk is good enough that it can't be seen as a failure if you get an above-average player for that slot.  It's like criticizing the Rockets for taking Olajuwon instead if Jordan.

 Giannis is not some can't-miss future star at this point.  He still has a decent shot of turning out to be as valuable as a somewhat better but equally inconsistent Jeff Green.  I think he needs to be used more like a point forward than groomed to be a go-to scorer, like a better version of Evan Turner in the Celtics system.

You're underestimating the upside of GA, pure and simple.

I don't deny that he has a high ceiling.  I just think people are over-estimating the probability that he comes close to that ceiling.  He has star potential but he is not a guaranteed future star.

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Since wiffed on Giorgi deng, Rodney hood, and Hollis Jefferson.  Danny's drafting acumen is fairly poor.  See our current state

and were you on record as wanting all of those players prior to the draft?

I know I was on record as wanting Dieng and Hood.  Dieng has been a decent backup center but not a world beater.  hasn't shown flashes at the level KO has.  I can live with the KO pick.   
I was ok with Young over Hood on draft night though I wanted Hood.  Young is still young while Hood had a couple of years on him.  Young's shown some improvement but not as much as I'd like.  if he hasn't made some significant improvement for next year, I'll go along with it was a really bad pick.

How about picking Olynyk over the Greek Freak?

no issues with that at all.  Greek Freak was pure speculation on potential and he's still not as good as Freak-lovers claim he is.  he's got a lot of athleticism but he's inconsistent just like KO.

Im sorry but I think only C's fans would still pick KO over Giannis. And not because KO can't play because he can.

It's not as wide of a gulf as some people make it out to be.  It's close enough and Olynyk is good enough that it can't be seen as a failure if you get an above-average player for that slot.  It's like criticizing the Rockets for taking Olajuwon instead if Jordan.

 Giannis is not some can't-miss future star at this point.  He still has a decent shot of turning out to be as valuable as a somewhat better but equally inconsistent Jeff Green.  I think he needs to be used more like a point forward than groomed to be a go-to scorer, like a better version of Evan Turner in the Celtics system.

You're underestimating the upside of GA, pure and simple.

I don't deny that he has a high ceiling.  I just think people are over-estimating the probability that he comes close to that ceiling.  He has star potential but he is not a guaranteed future star.

I think they're misusing him. They need to trade Monroe and Parker for guards / shooters. A line-up of GA, Henson, and Middleton with good guards could be nasty.