How good would we be with Kevin Love right now?

[CelticSince83]

He would fit here really well.

I can still see a scenario where he's traded.  They are paying Tristan a whole lot of money to be his backup... And we still haven't really seen him coexist all that well when kyrie is out there

Its quite crazy how deep they are in with salaries. They need to trade someone away at least, be it one of their bigs, in order to resign Kyrie and have somewhat decent bench behind their starters. As of right now they have about 87 million on the books for next season without Kyrie or half their bench, thats all ready over the cap for next season.

Re-sign Kyrie?  In 2020?

by this info here, it seems like his contract is up this year, idk if he has an extension.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/
If kyrie does have an extension, Lebron will have to take his player option, rather than declining it and signing another 1 year deal for more money.

I see what you are talking about but that is incorrect.  He signed an extension summer of 14.  5 years something like 93 mil.   

[Denis998]

He would fit here really well.

I can still see a scenario where he's traded.  They are paying Tristan a whole lot of money to be his backup... And we still haven't really seen him coexist all that well when kyrie is out there

Its quite crazy how deep they are in with salaries. They need to trade someone away at least, be it one of their bigs, in order to resign Kyrie and have somewhat decent bench behind their starters. As of right now they have about 87 million on the books for next season without Kyrie or half their bench, thats all ready over the cap for next season.

Re-sign Kyrie?  In 2020?

by this info here, it seems like his contract is up this year, idk if he has an extension.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/
If kyrie does have an extension, Lebron will have to take his player option, rather than declining it and signing another 1 year deal for more money.

I see what you are talking about but that is incorrect.  He signed an extension summer of 14.  5 years something like 93 mil.

That is actually going to post quite a big problem for the Cavs actually. Essentially Lebron will be forced into accepting his player option, as I don't think he has bird rights to the Cavs yet. They will end up in a similar position to the Clippers where they wont have any cap space to sign any free agent to a deal. They will probably only have like 9 players on their roster.

[Rosco917]

I can't see Love replacing Sully, unless he wants to bang against centers all night, because that's what Sully does. Sully is the closest thing we have right now to a physical big on this team.

Honestly, I don't think Love fits on this team right now. Love fits better on a team with a real center to play next to him. I'd much rather have a wing that can score, while creating his own shot.

[jpotter33]

He would fit here really well.

I can still see a scenario where he's traded.  They are paying Tristan a whole lot of money to be his backup... And we still haven't really seen him coexist all that well when kyrie is out there

Its quite crazy how deep they are in with salaries. They need to trade someone away at least, be it one of their bigs, in order to resign Kyrie and have somewhat decent bench behind their starters. As of right now they have about 87 million on the books for next season without Kyrie or half their bench, thats all ready over the cap for next season.

Well it's a soft cap, so they can exceed it, but my question is more about how Love fits with that team... especially once Kyrie comes back and Love gets relegated back to spot-up shooting duty.  Over his past 5 games he's struggled... 10.8 points, 8.6 rebounds with 31%/0%/79% shooting.  He's a dynamic offensive player though and up until this month he's been fantastic.  He's still capable of being a go-to scorer.  You can still build an offense around him.   But when you have LeBron James and Kyrie Irving on your team, you don't really need a third guy to build an offense around.  You need top-tier defense from your bigs.    You know who fits well with those guys?  Tristan Thompson.   So I've believed all summer that Love just re-signed, because he had some handshake agreement with the Cavs when they traded Wiggins for him... he wouldn't leave them high and dry.  He re-upped, they retain some leverage, and maybe if they mutually decide it's a bad fit, they'll do right by Love and send him to a team that can use his skill set.   Boston can absolutely use his skill set.  We'd have to give up a decent package to get him, though.   Do you think from Cleveland's perspective, getting some serviceable role players and the Brooklyn pick semi makes up for giving up Wiggins? 

I honestly believe that LeBron and Love came to an agreement this Summer... "Look man, just re-up.  We will try to make it work.  We will make you a bigger part of the offense.  If you're not happy with your role mid season, we'll send you to a destination you want to play for"... Thanks to the Kyrie injury, Love has had a much bigger role in their offense... which is great for Cleveland, because it also works towards improving Love's trade value...   But as of tomorrow, Love can finally be traded.  And later this month, Kyrie is due back.    If it doesn't work out, and Boston offered a package built around David Lee's expiring contract (he can still contribute for the Cavs as 6th man behind Thompson), a young guy like James Young, the Brooklyn pick, probably some other 1sts... I wouldn't be stunned to see it go down.

That's a tough one. If we could get Love without giving up Smart, that might be worth giving up the Brooklyn pick for. Also, we look much more attractive to free agents next year with Love on board. If we had him on board, could we still potentially max out two stars, e.g. Durant and Horford? Imagine a lineup of:
PG: Smart, IT
SG: Bradley, Hunter
SF: Durant, Crowder
PF: Love, KO
C: Horford, Mickey

[CelticSince83]

He would fit here really well.

I can still see a scenario where he's traded.  They are paying Tristan a whole lot of money to be his backup... And we still haven't really seen him coexist all that well when kyrie is out there

Its quite crazy how deep they are in with salaries. They need to trade someone away at least, be it one of their bigs, in order to resign Kyrie and have somewhat decent bench behind their starters. As of right now they have about 87 million on the books for next season without Kyrie or half their bench, thats all ready over the cap for next season.

Re-sign Kyrie?  In 2020?

by this info here, it seems like his contract is up this year, idk if he has an extension.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/
If kyrie does have an extension, Lebron will have to take his player option, rather than declining it and signing another 1 year deal for more money.

I see what you are talking about but that is incorrect.  He signed an extension summer of 14.  5 years something like 93 mil.

That is actually going to post quite a big problem for the Cavs actually. Essentially Lebron will be forced into accepting his player option, as I don't think he has bird rights to the Cavs yet. They will end up in a similar position to the Clippers where they wont have any cap space to sign any free agent to a deal. They will probably only have like 9 players on their roster.

He can actually opt out and take 120% of his current salary.  It's a non-Bird thing that's is super confusing and really dumb if you ask me. 

[SHAQATTACK]

He would fit here really well.

I can still see a scenario where he's traded.  They are paying Tristan a whole lot of money to be his backup... And we still haven't really seen him coexist all that well when kyrie is out there

Its quite crazy how deep they are in with salaries. They need to trade someone away at least, be it one of their bigs, in order to resign Kyrie and have somewhat decent bench behind their starters. As of right now they have about 87 million on the books for next season without Kyrie or half their bench, thats all ready over the cap for next season.

Well it's a soft cap, so they can exceed it, but my question is more about how Love fits with that team... especially once Kyrie comes back and Love gets relegated back to spot-up shooting duty.  Over his past 5 games he's struggled... 10.8 points, 8.6 rebounds with 31%/0%/79% shooting.  He's a dynamic offensive player though and up until this month he's been fantastic.  He's still capable of being a go-to scorer.  You can still build an offense around him.   But when you have LeBron James and Kyrie Irving on your team, you don't really need a third guy to build an offense around.  You need top-tier defense from your bigs.    You know who fits well with those guys?  Tristan Thompson.   So I've believed all summer that Love just re-signed, because he had some handshake agreement with the Cavs when they traded Wiggins for him... he wouldn't leave them high and dry.  He re-upped, they retain some leverage, and maybe if they mutually decide it's a bad fit, they'll do right by Love and send him to a team that can use his skill set.   Boston can absolutely use his skill set.  We'd have to give up a decent package to get him, though.   Do you think from Cleveland's perspective, getting some serviceable role players and the Brooklyn pick semi makes up for giving up Wiggins? 

I honestly believe that LeBron and Love came to an agreement this Summer... "Look man, just re-up.  We will try to make it work.  We will make you a bigger part of the offense.  If you're not happy with your role mid season, we'll send you to a destination you want to play for"... Thanks to the Kyrie injury, Love has had a much bigger role in their offense... which is great for Cleveland, because it also works towards improving Love's trade value...   But as of tomorrow, Love can finally be traded.  And later this month, Kyrie is due back.    If it doesn't work out, and Boston offered a package built around David Lee's expiring contract (he can still contribute for the Cavs as 6th man behind Thompson), a young guy like James Young, the Brooklyn pick, probably some other 1sts... I wouldn't be stunned to see it go down.

I agree Love just doesn't seem like the right fit on the Cavs.    Fish out of water .

[jambr380]

But you have to imagine guys like Love (or the caliber of) are seeing what is going on in Boston and the culture that is being created under Stevens and thinking that they maybe the missing piece. Love would get to be the alpha of a strong playoff team with lots of room to grow rather than third fiddle in Cleveland. Guys are right to choose a championship situation, but who's often get in the way, too.

[Ogaju]

He would fit here really well.

I can still see a scenario where he's traded.  They are paying Tristan a whole lot of money to be his backup... And we still haven't really seen him coexist all that well when kyrie is out there

Its quite crazy how deep they are in with salaries. They need to trade someone away at least, be it one of their bigs, in order to resign Kyrie and have somewhat decent bench behind their starters. As of right now they have about 87 million on the books for next season without Kyrie or half their bench, thats all ready over the cap for next season.

Well it's a soft cap, so they can exceed it, but my question is more about how Love fits with that team... especially once Kyrie comes back and Love gets relegated back to spot-up shooting duty.  Over his past 5 games he's struggled... 10.8 points, 8.6 rebounds with 31%/0%/79% shooting.  He's a dynamic offensive player though and up until this month he's been fantastic.  He's still capable of being a go-to scorer.  You can still build an offense around him.   But when you have LeBron James and Kyrie Irving on your team, you don't really need a third guy to build an offense around.  You need top-tier defense from your bigs.    You know who fits well with those guys?  Tristan Thompson.   So I've believed all summer that Love just re-signed, because he had some handshake agreement with the Cavs when they traded Wiggins for him... he wouldn't leave them high and dry.  He re-upped, they retain some leverage, and maybe if they mutually decide it's a bad fit, they'll do right by Love and send him to a team that can use his skill set.   Boston can absolutely use his skill set.  We'd have to give up a decent package to get him, though.   Do you think from Cleveland's perspective, getting some serviceable role players and the Brooklyn pick semi makes up for giving up Wiggins? 

I honestly believe that LeBron and Love came to an agreement this Summer... "Look man, just re-up.  We will try to make it work.  We will make you a bigger part of the offense.  If you're not happy with your role mid season, we'll send you to a destination you want to play for"... Thanks to the Kyrie injury, Love has had a much bigger role in their offense... which is great for Cleveland, because it also works towards improving Love's trade value...   But as of tomorrow, Love can finally be traded.  And later this month, Kyrie is due back.    If it doesn't work out, and Boston offered a package built around David Lee's expiring contract (he can still contribute for the Cavs as 6th man behind Thompson), a young guy like James Young, the Brooklyn pick, probably some other 1sts... I wouldn't be stunned to see it go down.

That's a tough one. If we could get Love without giving up Smart, that might be worth giving up the Brooklyn pick for. Also, we look much more attractive to free agents next year with Love on board. If we had him on board, could we still potentially max out two stars, e.g. Durant and Horford? Imagine a lineup of:
PG: Smart, IT
SG: Bradley, Hunter
SF: Durant, Crowder
PF: Love, KO
C: Horford, Mickey

That is a nice team, but you are giving up a lot of youth to get a chip, I wonder what window this team has to win a chip?

[LarBrd33]

Fwiw, I'm not the only person who has brought up the possibility that Love will be traded.  This is from July:  http://nesn.com/2015/07/report-cavaliers-could-put-kevin-love-on-trading-block-within-next-year/

Kevin Love announced Wednesday he’d be re-signing with the Cleveland Cavaliers on a contract reportedly worth $110 million over five years. But how long will Love’s tenure in Cleveland actually last? According to Sporting News, potentially not very long. In fact, some NBA executives told Sean Deveney they believe the forward could be playing elsewhere by this time next year. The Cavs felt they needed to re-sign Love this summer to avoid losing him for nothing, per Deveny’s sources, but if he and big man Tristan Thompson cannot form an effective frontcourt duo, Love could find himself back on the trading block before long. “Maybe in February or in the summer, you could see Love being talked about,” one league executive told Sporting News. “If he stays healthy next year, that is what is most important. If he plays 75 games or so, then he is still going to have a lot of value, even if his numbers are not great. So it is still a chance for them to get assets going forward and if you gave up the No. 1 pick, you need to be able get something that will help long-term.” While most believe the Cavs will lock up Thompson — one of the breakout stars of this year’s NBA playoffs and a current restricted free agent — for the long haul, the two sides as of Thursday afternoon had yet to reach an agreement on a new deal.

So now here we are... Thompson has his fat new contract, but playing 24 minutes behind Love... Kyrie is about to come back and take a major chunk of Love's offense...   it's something to keep an eye on.  Meanwhile, Love has played really well so far and probably has done enough to increase his trade value for the Cavs... in-part, because LeBron has made a real effort to get Love as involved as possible.

[Bucketgetter]

I think we'd be a clear cut top four team in the East. Replace Love with Sully and our rebounding and defense stays the same but we get a legit 20 point scorer who can space the floor and whom we can give the ball to at the end of games.

We'd still need another piece but we would be a more legit threat having that go to scorer in the starting 5 for sure.

No we wouldn't. I'm a Twolves fan, and his last year with the wolves we started the season off something like 1-10 in games decided by 2 or less points. He was brutal when we just gave him the ball at the end of games. He can't create his own shot. We would just dump it to him in the post, and he would miss a difficult jumper with the defense in his face. Not a guy you just give the ball to at the end of a game an get out of the way.

[zubi.anaba]

Fwiw, I'm not the only person who has brought up the possibility that Love will be traded.  This is from July:  http://nesn.com/2015/07/report-cavaliers-could-put-kevin-love-on-trading-block-within-next-year/

Kevin Love announced Wednesday he’d be re-signing with the Cleveland Cavaliers on a contract reportedly worth $110 million over five years. But how long will Love’s tenure in Cleveland actually last? According to Sporting News, potentially not very long. In fact, some NBA executives told Sean Deveney they believe the forward could be playing elsewhere by this time next year. The Cavs felt they needed to re-sign Love this summer to avoid losing him for nothing, per Deveny’s sources, but if he and big man Tristan Thompson cannot form an effective frontcourt duo, Love could find himself back on the trading block before long. “Maybe in February or in the summer, you could see Love being talked about,” one league executive told Sporting News. “If he stays healthy next year, that is what is most important. If he plays 75 games or so, then he is still going to have a lot of value, even if his numbers are not great. So it is still a chance for them to get assets going forward and if you gave up the No. 1 pick, you need to be able get something that will help long-term.” While most believe the Cavs will lock up Thompson — one of the breakout stars of this year’s NBA playoffs and a current restricted free agent — for the long haul, the two sides as of Thursday afternoon had yet to reach an agreement on a new deal.

So now here we are... Thompson has his fat new contract, but playing 24 minutes behind Love... Kyrie is about to come back and take a major chunk of Love's offense...   it's something to keep an eye on.  Meanwhile, Love has played really well so far and probably has done enough to increase his trade value for the Cavs... in-part, because LeBron has made a real effort to get Love as involved as possible.

Right!!! !!Another NBA executives say story !!!Could have sworn these same executives were screaming about Klove leaving last season. Would have thought they would learnt their lesson.

Newsflash!!ANY PLAYER in the NBA can be traded at ANYTIME. This isnt exactly breaking news!! Also this notion of Klove being a spot up shooter just doesnt conform with the facts. He gets a healthy does of elbow action and post ups just like in Minny. Only diff is he isnt taking 20 shots a game. I cant imagine that changing with Kyrie back. He is also taking 15 shots this season and was taking 14 shots with Kyrie last season. I Imagine Lebron shots (taking 20) and Mo Will shots (taking about 11) will be affected mostly by Kyrie`s return not Klove. AFterall Kyrie was taking about 14 shots last season (same as Klove).

Bottomline is he is playing much better now because he has had a year with the team for chemistry and is healthy. This whole `he doesnt fit in narrative` being parroted is a complete myth

Even if in the worse case scenario Cavs want to trade him, it woudnt be to the Cs as they have nothing the Cavs want. Remember they are in win now mode so Brooklyn picks are worthless to them. None of the Cs role players present an upgrade for the Cavs at their respective position either.

Have seen alot of Klove post from you since last year. Even seen you insisting he was going to go to the Lakers. Surely by now you should know that all of that was a pipe dream.

He wants to win. No other team offers him that opportunity like the Cavs. He acknowledged that emphatically by not even taking meetings with any other teams during FA

[jpotter33]

He would fit here really well.

I can still see a scenario where he's traded.  They are paying Tristan a whole lot of money to be his backup... And we still haven't really seen him coexist all that well when kyrie is out there

Its quite crazy how deep they are in with salaries. They need to trade someone away at least, be it one of their bigs, in order to resign Kyrie and have somewhat decent bench behind their starters. As of right now they have about 87 million on the books for next season without Kyrie or half their bench, thats all ready over the cap for next season.

Well it's a soft cap, so they can exceed it, but my question is more about how Love fits with that team... especially once Kyrie comes back and Love gets relegated back to spot-up shooting duty.  Over his past 5 games he's struggled... 10.8 points, 8.6 rebounds with 31%/0%/79% shooting.  He's a dynamic offensive player though and up until this month he's been fantastic.  He's still capable of being a go-to scorer.  You can still build an offense around him.   But when you have LeBron James and Kyrie Irving on your team, you don't really need a third guy to build an offense around.  You need top-tier defense from your bigs.    You know who fits well with those guys?  Tristan Thompson.   So I've believed all summer that Love just re-signed, because he had some handshake agreement with the Cavs when they traded Wiggins for him... he wouldn't leave them high and dry.  He re-upped, they retain some leverage, and maybe if they mutually decide it's a bad fit, they'll do right by Love and send him to a team that can use his skill set.   Boston can absolutely use his skill set.  We'd have to give up a decent package to get him, though.   Do you think from Cleveland's perspective, getting some serviceable role players and the Brooklyn pick semi makes up for giving up Wiggins? 

I honestly believe that LeBron and Love came to an agreement this Summer... "Look man, just re-up.  We will try to make it work.  We will make you a bigger part of the offense.  If you're not happy with your role mid season, we'll send you to a destination you want to play for"... Thanks to the Kyrie injury, Love has had a much bigger role in their offense... which is great for Cleveland, because it also works towards improving Love's trade value...   But as of tomorrow, Love can finally be traded.  And later this month, Kyrie is due back.    If it doesn't work out, and Boston offered a package built around David Lee's expiring contract (he can still contribute for the Cavs as 6th man behind Thompson), a young guy like James Young, the Brooklyn pick, probably some other 1sts... I wouldn't be stunned to see it go down.

That's a tough one. If we could get Love without giving up Smart, that might be worth giving up the Brooklyn pick for. Also, we look much more attractive to free agents next year with Love on board. If we had him on board, could we still potentially max out two stars, e.g. Durant and Horford? Imagine a lineup of:
PG: Smart, IT
SG: Bradley, Hunter
SF: Durant, Crowder
PF: Love, KO
C: Horford, Mickey

That is a nice team, but you are giving up a lot of youth to get a chip, I wonder what window this team has to win a chip?

Well, Durant and Love will turn 28 at the beginning of next season, which is firmly in their prime. Horford will be 30, but he's still playing at a high level. I'm not crazy about adding Horford, but he was one of the only high-level free agent bigs next year. If you think about the Big-3's first year and all of them being several years older, I would think there's at least a four year window if they all stay relatively healthy.

[jpotter33]

Fwiw, I'm not the only person who has brought up the possibility that Love will be traded.  This is from July:  http://nesn.com/2015/07/report-cavaliers-could-put-kevin-love-on-trading-block-within-next-year/

Kevin Love announced Wednesday he’d be re-signing with the Cleveland Cavaliers on a contract reportedly worth $110 million over five years. But how long will Love’s tenure in Cleveland actually last? According to Sporting News, potentially not very long. In fact, some NBA executives told Sean Deveney they believe the forward could be playing elsewhere by this time next year. The Cavs felt they needed to re-sign Love this summer to avoid losing him for nothing, per Deveny’s sources, but if he and big man Tristan Thompson cannot form an effective frontcourt duo, Love could find himself back on the trading block before long. “Maybe in February or in the summer, you could see Love being talked about,” one league executive told Sporting News. “If he stays healthy next year, that is what is most important. If he plays 75 games or so, then he is still going to have a lot of value, even if his numbers are not great. So it is still a chance for them to get assets going forward and if you gave up the No. 1 pick, you need to be able get something that will help long-term.” While most believe the Cavs will lock up Thompson — one of the breakout stars of this year’s NBA playoffs and a current restricted free agent — for the long haul, the two sides as of Thursday afternoon had yet to reach an agreement on a new deal.

So now here we are... Thompson has his fat new contract, but playing 24 minutes behind Love... Kyrie is about to come back and take a major chunk of Love's offense...   it's something to keep an eye on.  Meanwhile, Love has played really well so far and probably has done enough to increase his trade value for the Cavs... in-part, because LeBron has made a real effort to get Love as involved as possible.

Right!!! !!Another NBA executives say story !!!Could have sworn these same executives were screaming about Klove leaving last season. Would have thought they would learnt their lesson.

Newsflash!!ANY PLAYER in the NBA can be traded at ANYTIME. This isnt exactly breaking news!! Also this notion of Klove being a spot up shooter just doesnt conform with the facts. He gets a healthy does of elbow action and post ups just like in Minny. Only diff is he isnt taking 20 shots a game. I cant imagine that changing with Kyrie back. He is also taking 15 shots this season and was taking 14 shots with Kyrie last season. I Imagine Lebron shots (taking 20) and Mo Will shots (taking about 11) will be affected mostly by Kyrie`s return not Klove. AFterall Kyrie was taking about 14 shots last season (same as Klove).

Bottomline is he is playing much better now because he has had a year with the team for chemistry and is healthy. This whole `he doesnt fit in narrative` being parroted is a complete myth

Even if in the worse case scenario Cavs want to trade him, it woudnt be to the Cs as they have nothing the Cavs want. Remember they are in win now mode so Brooklyn picks are worthless to them. None of the Cs role players present an upgrade for the Cavs at their respective position either.

Have seen alot of Klove post from you since last year. Even seen you insisting he was going to go to the Lakers. Surely by now you should know that all of that was a pipe dream.

He wants to win. No other team offers him that opportunity like the Cavs. He acknowledged that emphatically by not even taking meetings with any other teams during FA

This right here pretty much shows you don't really know what you're talking about. Bradley is pretty much a perfect fit at the 2 for that team, Lee and Amir would both be excellent vets off the bench for them, and EVERY team would want that Brooklyn pick. I mean, it's not like the Cavs really did anything special with the last high pick they had.....

[flybono]

You still need a C who can defend and a Point guard who is not overmatched at both ends of the floor

[zubi.anaba]

This right here pretty much shows you don't really know what you're talking about. Bradley is pretty much a perfect fit at the 2 for that team,

HUH!!!Cavs have SHump and Jr at the 2. They have zero need for Bradley

 

Lee and Amir would both be excellent vets off the bench for them,

What does this even mean!!!Both are old and offer nothing more than what Cavs get from their bigs (Mosgov, TT, Klove, Varejoa) now. TT is younger and better the than Amir. Lee is a sieve on defense and old. Again Cavs have no use for either player

and EVERY team would want that Brooklyn pick. I mean, it's not like the Cavs really did anything special with the last high pick they had.....

Cavs are in win now mode. Unless they are trading the pick for a superstar right away (boogie) the pick is worthless. They already traded a Top pick (wiggins) for Klove. Make zero sense for them to now trade Klove for another top pick