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Re: Zach Lowe with details on failed Winslow deal - suggests Melo as target
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2015, 02:21:15 AM »

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I am very skeptical of Melo's fit in our system. I don't think we would have enough success with him to justify giving up much in the way of picks.

Re: Zach Lowe with details on failed Winslow deal - suggests Melo as target
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2015, 04:25:37 AM »

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Maybe the knicks would value Sully as an asset and he could be moved in a trade for melo. Sully Lee and pick(s) for melo. A line up of:

Amir
Melo
Crowder
AB
Smart

would be great. great d to put around melo and everyone except Smart is at least a decent 3 point shooter. We could move IT back to the 6th man role and always have him of Melo on the floor to score the ball. We'd still have decent depth for the 7-9th guys and we'd still have a lot of young guys to develop and picks to cash in down the road.


Ainge must have his plan A plan B, C, D....Z and I bet getting Melo is high up there.

just a note, crowder is even less decent than smart from 3.

Re: Zach Lowe with details on failed Winslow deal - suggests Melo as target
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2015, 04:37:08 AM »

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jerebkos and johnson will be tradeable come dec. 14th.
maybe after that date some rumors will start

Re: Zach Lowe with details on failed Winslow deal - suggests Melo as target
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2015, 11:08:03 AM »

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My guess is the boston offer was 28, Dallas 1st, 2016 Boston 1st, and 2018 BKN 1st.  Then use 9 and 15 to move up 4.
2025 Historical Draft - Cleveland Cavaliers - 1st pick

Starters - Luka, JB, Lebron, Wemby, Shaq
Rotation - D. Daniels, Mitchell, G. Wallace, Melo, Noah
Deep Bench - Korver, Turner

Re: Zach Lowe with details on failed Winslow deal - suggests Melo as target
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2015, 11:41:42 AM »

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Im very interested in who Ainge would have picked at 4. Everything about his history suggests it indeed would have been Winslow, and if not, would probably not have been Porzongis. But I'd pay to know the answer.

Winslow was a very possible target at no. 4. And I believe that Ainge only made the Godfather offer to Charlotte, when Winslow had dropped all the way to that spot (because that was what Danny would have offered to get him at the fourth spot).

Probably right.

As I've noted a number of times lately, it irks me. I very much like Winslow and was eager for Ainge to move to 9 to get him. But 4 was too high for him -- not because he may (or may not) turn into a great player, but because Ainge would have reached for him well before other teams. And in doing so,
he loses both value, and the opportunity to uncover a potential star.

I think Danny has a tendency to overreact to the personal make-up of the prospect (remember when he signed Scal to a 5 year deal?). By all accounts Winslow is a smart, tough sono****un who really wants to win, and that's great -- combined with excellent physical tools, he could be excellent. But once again, Ainge would have passed on a player who almost certainly will be a better player and building block for one that he's more comfortable with from a due diligence perspective (and therefore is lower risk). And for me, he's done that too many times. Among other things, the Cs recent record of understanding European talent is dangerously poor.

So that no one can accuse me of revisionist history, I'll use the example of Rozier, our latest pick. It's early, but I think he was a major reach. There was just too much talk about his toughness, his speed, his defense, for me. Makes me think of Marcus Banks. The guy might fit a role in time, but he's not much a basketball player. We're going to see a couple of good young players emerge from picks behind him in the 2015 draft. Grant is an early candidate in my eyes (yes, I know he's 23).

I really worry about the Cs ability to make the right pick at a crucial moment, especially with the likelihood we'll see picks from the Nets in the mid-to-low lottery in coming years.
Or JR Giddens, a pick no one thought made any sense in the first round. And the consensus was correct.

Of course, that approached worked with Rondo. Not sure he has a good hitting percentage though with his reaches.

Sure. As everyone knows that pick should have been DeAndre Jordan, who at that point in the draft, was a highly logical risk. Instead he went with a 4 year college guy he felt was safer. The result was poor. The same could be said for the JJJ pick. Ironically, Ainge's best pick was one he bought (the only time I can remember him doing so) -- Rondo.

Ainge is an excellent general manager. But the Cs scouting and drafting has been its weakest link, and it shows on this roster. I'm sure Ainge felt finding a star thru trade would be easier, but without that, we have a horizontal (I.e. flat) roster -- and that's not exactly the formula for success in the NBA, either on the floor or in pursuing trades.

The Cs most valuable assets are not players, but picks (received on trade, where Ainge absolutely shines).
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Re: Zach Lowe with details on failed Winslow deal - suggests Melo as target
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2015, 12:32:46 PM »

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Melo is of little use to this team.  It's one thing if they had a KG to his Ray coming in as well, but that isn't the case.  No sense giving up anything of significance for him.

Couldn't you say that acquiring Thomas last year would count as the Ray Allen part of the deal, and we very realistically make a play for Noah too. Really the 3 of them would have a similar dynamic to the old big 3.

Noah is less valuable than than KG was but Melo is closer to a great player than Pierce was at the time and Isiah/Bradley could become more impactful than Ray Allen/Tony Allen.

all three players in the 2008 Celtics Big Three ... pretty washed up now.



Yes, I agree

There's some witty editing right back at ya.

Likewise. ;)

Seriously, though, Duncan is the best PF ever. He's had a considerably longer sustained period of excellence. A few years of 10-level play from KG don't wash away a 17-year frame of 8-9 level play from Duncan.

Re: Zach Lowe with details on failed Winslow deal - suggests Melo as target
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2015, 01:11:00 PM »

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I find it hard to read these rumors.  Nobody but Ainge and Mills (plus others around them) know what was or wasn't offered.

As Mills has said, the deal was never close.  So who cares ?  Zach Lowe and friends are only reporting rumors, that's it.  Nothing is factual.

Obviously, if you're trying to trade into the top 10 of any draft, the ransom will be large. Especially if you're not using your current first round pick to do so. Fortunately, Ainge has built a treasure chest of picks where he's able to offer packages to get into any slot in any draft he chooses.  He has the option, but the price will be steep as it should be.