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Re: Celtics came "really, really close" to drafting Pat Connaughton
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2015, 11:01:14 PM »

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I think Danny should not be allowed to make the choices on draft night moving fwd

We were close to drafting 4 guards . Ridiculous. 

Marcus Thornton pick was ridiculous.
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Re: Celtics came "really, really close" to drafting Pat Connaughton
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2015, 11:06:53 PM »

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I would have rather taken Pat than Marcus Thornton.

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Why not choose a euro player to stash overseas? why not?

Because they would already be over there? :)   

Silly answer, but I think the real one is Ainge does not care for them.  He has had numerous opportunities to take them and declines.

Re: Celtics came "really, really close" to drafting Pat Connaughton
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2015, 11:27:17 PM »

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I think Danny should not be allowed to make the choices on draft night moving fwd

We were close to drafting 4 guards . Ridiculous. 

Marcus Thornton pick was ridiculous. Why not choose a euro player to stash overseas? why not?
Stashing a Euro overseas...thought that same thing.  Then again, those areas are well scouted.  We haven't had much luck in stashing players have we?

I didn't see much of the summer games.  So, I can't say a whole lot about Thornton.  He didn't impress me except in the Miami game?  In that game he looked better than either Hunter or Rozier.  Anyone see anything that showed he had NBA talent?

Best case scenario for Marcus Thornton 2.0 is finding a spot on a NBA team as a spark plug scorer off the bench a la Isaiah Thomas.  That will be his niche if he can ever crack a NBA team's roster.

Don't ever see him playing any minutes for Boston.
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Re: Celtics came "really, really close" to drafting Pat Connaughton
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2015, 11:28:53 PM »

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Re: Celtics came "really, really close" to drafting Pat Connaughton
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2015, 12:44:01 AM »

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I would have rather taken Pat than Marcus Thornton.

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Why not choose a euro player to stash overseas? why not?

Because they would already be over there? :)   

Silly answer, but I think the real one is Ainge does not care for them.  He has had numerous opportunities to take them and declines.

I would have rather taken almost anyone else instead of Marcus Thornton.  What a waste of a pick.  He just doesn't look like an NBA player to me.  Danny should have selected Tyler Harvey, imo, as it was pretty much a no-brainer, but, again, that's just me.  Dakari Johnson, Norman Powell, Cady Lalanne, and even Sir'Dominic Pointer were all still available, as well, never mind all of the guys who eventually went undrafted.  Sigh.
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Re: Celtics came "really, really close" to drafting Pat Connaughton
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2015, 12:46:08 AM »

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Re: Celtics came "really, really close" to drafting Pat Connaughton
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2015, 01:14:11 AM »

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I would have rather taken Pat than Marcus Thornton.

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Why not choose a euro player to stash overseas? why not?

Because they would already be over there? :)   

Silly answer, but I think the real one is Ainge does not care for them.  He has had numerous opportunities to take them and declines.

I would have rather taken almost anyone else instead of Marcus Thornton.  What a waste of a pick.  He just doesn't look like an NBA player to me.  Danny should have selected Tyler Harvey, imo, as it was pretty much a no-brainer, but, again, that's just me.  Dakari Johnson, Norman Powell, Cady Lalanne, and even Sir'Dominic Pointer were all still available, as well, never mind all of the guys who eventually went undrafted.  Sigh.

I don't see why this is considered such a bad pick. 

Very few mid-to-late second round pick ever end up rotation NBA players, so rather than take an NBA-ready (but mediocre) guy, Danny went for potential and took a gamble on a guy who has:

* Elite athleticism
* Very good shooting / scoring ability
* Decent passing and ball handling
* A good attitude (good motor / work ethic)

I really don't see how you can expect much more than that from such a late pick. The kid has talent, just need to see if he can make the most of that potential.
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Re: Celtics came "really, really close" to drafting Pat Connaughton
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2015, 01:55:34 AM »

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White and jumps absurdly high? Would've taken him at 16 to protect an endangered species.

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Lol, TP ;D. Do you think they have sanctuaries for these mythical creatures ;) ;D?

Re: Celtics came "really, really close" to drafting Pat Connaughton
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2015, 02:15:06 AM »

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I would have rather taken Pat than Marcus Thornton.

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Why not choose a euro player to stash overseas? why not?

Because they would already be over there? :)   

Silly answer, but I think the real one is Ainge does not care for them.  He has had numerous opportunities to take them and declines.

I would have rather taken almost anyone else instead of Marcus Thornton.  What a waste of a pick.  He just doesn't look like an NBA player to me.  Danny should have selected Tyler Harvey, imo, as it was pretty much a no-brainer, but, again, that's just me.  Dakari Johnson, Norman Powell, Cady Lalanne, and even Sir'Dominic Pointer were all still available, as well, never mind all of the guys who eventually went undrafted.  Sigh.

I don't see why this is considered such a bad pick. 

Very few mid-to-late second round pick ever end up rotation NBA players, so rather than take an NBA-ready (but mediocre) guy, Danny went for potential and took a gamble on a guy who has:

* Elite athleticism
* Very good shooting / scoring ability
* Decent passing and ball handling
* A good attitude (good motor / work ethic)

I really don't see how you can expect much more than that from such a late pick. The kid has talent, just need to see if he can make the most of that potential.

You consider Tyler Harvey mediocre?  You do realize that if we'd gotten him and Hunter that we'd have come away with 2 of the 3 best shooters in the draft, right (and at 28 and 45, no less)?

The only thing that Thornton has on Harvey is athleticism, imo.  He looks more like 6'1" to me, quite honestly, and Harvey is a much better passer and ball handler, never mind his shooting, he can create his own shot, which no one on our roster, save Rozier, can do right now.  He's also a great kid with a great work ethic, so what's not to like?

I've also never bought into the whole play the percentages thing whereby the average of finding a good player in the second round is very low, because it tries to make it seem like every draft class is the same, when that is absolutely not the case, and I've made this point before.  I don't care what the numbers say - if a good player is available wherever you pick, you take him, period.  Don't just give up because the numbers say that it's statistically improbable to find a player in that range.  Besides, what else are the picks for if we don't use them?  We need talent, and I don't care where it comes from, selection-wise, in the draft.  There were also a number of excellent undrafted free agents this year, as well, but he Ainge didn't look into them, either, smh.  Ugh.  Larry Bird got Joseph Young at 43 - why can't we do the same, especially in such a deep draft?  It just boggles the mind, and the fact that they were seriously considering taking Nance Jr. at 28 :o is only further proof, imo, that we need better scouts, at the very least.  Nance is a pretty good player, yes, and I actually do like his talent, but he was pegged as a late second rounder to undrafted for a reason, and could have been had at 33 or 45, imo.  Stories like this, to me, are only further proof that it's time to take the keys from Danny, which should have been done a long time ago, imo.

Re: Celtics came "really, really close" to drafting Pat Connaughton
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2015, 02:16:51 AM »

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I would have rather taken Pat than Marcus Thornton.

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Why not choose a euro player to stash overseas? why not?

Because they would already be over there? :)   

Silly answer, but I think the real one is Ainge does not care for them.  He has had numerous opportunities to take them and declines.

I would have rather taken almost anyone else instead of Marcus Thornton.  What a waste of a pick.  He just doesn't look like an NBA player to me.  Danny should have selected Tyler Harvey, imo, as it was pretty much a no-brainer, but, again, that's just me.  Dakari Johnson, Norman Powell, Cady Lalanne, and even Sir'Dominic Pointer were all still available, as well, never mind all of the guys who eventually went undrafted.  Sigh.

Ainge took the best player who was willing to agree to go overseas on the Colton Iverson plan and would decline to sign the required tender contract that the Celtics have to offer a draft pick to retain his rights. 
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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2015, 02:30:08 AM »

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I would have rather taken Pat than Marcus Thornton.

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Why not choose a euro player to stash overseas? why not?

Because they would already be over there? :)   

Silly answer, but I think the real one is Ainge does not care for them.  He has had numerous opportunities to take them and declines.

I would have rather taken almost anyone else instead of Marcus Thornton.  What a waste of a pick.  He just doesn't look like an NBA player to me.  Danny should have selected Tyler Harvey, imo, as it was pretty much a no-brainer, but, again, that's just me.  Dakari Johnson, Norman Powell, Cady Lalanne, and even Sir'Dominic Pointer were all still available, as well, never mind all of the guys who eventually went undrafted.  Sigh.

Ainge took the best player who was willing to agree to go overseas on the Colton Iverson plan and would decline to sign the required tender contract that the Celtics have to offer a draft pick to retain his rights.

If the 'Colton Iverson plan' is anything, in my view, it's for guys who can't play, hence the name, haha ;D. Plus, we only had 13 contracts by the end of the year, iirc, with Bass and Luigi expiring (never mind Crowder and Jerebko, who I don't put into the same category as Bass and Datome here because they were ultimately retained by us ::)), so that leaves us with 4 potential spots, or 5 if Pressey was waived, which ultimately took place, so what's the problem?  There was plenty of room even before Amir Johnson ::) was signed and there was a ton of talent out there in undrafted free agents who could have been had for next to nothing (not that that matters to me, but it does to a lot of other people on here so I just thought I'd throw it out there).  Who cares where the talent comes from, position-wise in the draft or afterwards?  I thought Ainge was in 'asset collection mode' ::). Is talent not considered an asset now? ::)