Matt Moore on Rebuilding

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

That Matt Moore guy is a clueless Celtics hater!! Has been and continue to be!
Both Phi and Orl started their rebuild before us and we are set to be contending before them!
We are back in the playoff before them!

- Grooming young talent (a former # 2 pick, and two top 3 high school recruits and a # 6 pick). In addition to those, KO, Crowder, and a nice group of rookies Hunter, Rozier, Mickey, etc... all filled with potential!

I mean the first sentence is blatantly untrue, both Phi and Bos started rebuilding following the 2013 season.

And the 2nd sentence seems to imply that Evan Turner, a decidedly mediocre player, is now this #2 pick teeming with potential while portraying HS rankings as some sort of meaningful barometer for NBA players?

Almost every team going through a rebuild has guys like the ones you list, the hard part is finding the #1 and #2 players.

I might have been a little bit over the board but I'm so tired of those Celtics hater with national media entitlement...
1st sentence : I considered the Phi contending project done once Bynum went down... they missed the playoffs a year before us. we were still trying to contend playing in the playoffs while they were collecting their lottery picks... You might be technically right but I'm not technically wrong either...
2nd sentence : So our number #2 pick is mediocre but their #2 pick is the appointed futur star..? My whole point here is that it doesn't really matter if you were picked #2 (ET) or #60 (IT) it's what you become as a player in the NBA that matters...
And so far we are ahead of them as far as current impact winning.
Their players might become good but so might our players as well.
So to look at the rebuilds in the current stage at to insinuate that ours is the least effective is just stupid.
As for your last sentence, that is what is blatantly untrue in here.
Not all rebuilding teams have the quality of young prospect we have. A coupe of them just traded their lottery picks from last year for almost nothing!
Not all of them have a young team that made the playoffs last year!! with a rookie as their starting point guard.
And finally, no!!! The hard part is not finding the #1 and #2 draft picks!!
The hard part is finding the next Rudy Gobert at #23, the next draymond green, the next Butler or even the next steph curry outside of the top 10!! The next Ginobili the next parker...
Finding good to great NBA Players!! That impact Winning!! Not just your next hyped up Antony bennet or MKG.....
Matt Moore is a Celtics hater... I'm convinced of that...

Yeah, and Evan Turner is now a mediocre NBA player at an age where most players don't see some sort of huge developmental curve. How does this help your point?

And if you don't think most rebuilding teams can roll out a few prospects of the caliber you listed you're even more delusional than I thought.

Marcus Smart is the only top tier prospect on the Celtics right now, which is fine given their rebuild path but it's just a fact. You're other #1 pick last year was stuck in the D-League. Jae Crowder is a back end of the rotation role player one most contenders, ditto Jerebko, Mickey, etc.

They're good to have, but their presence has nothing to do with whether Boston becomes a contender or not.

Matt Moore is a mediocre writer, but he's not a C's hater. He's just not a massive homer.

[Bosstown]

That Matt Moore guy is a clueless Celtics hater!! Has been and continue to be!
Both Phi and Orl started their rebuild before us and we are set to be contending before them!
We are back in the playoff before them!

- Grooming young talent (a former # 2 pick, and two top 3 high school recruits and a # 6 pick). In addition to those, KO, Crowder, and a nice group of rookies Hunter, Rozier, Mickey, etc... all filled with potential!

I mean the first sentence is blatantly untrue, both Phi and Bos started rebuilding following the 2013 season.

And the 2nd sentence seems to imply that Evan Turner, a decidedly mediocre player, is now this #2 pick teeming with potential while portraying HS rankings as some sort of meaningful barometer for NBA players?

Almost every team going through a rebuild has guys like the ones you list, the hard part is finding the #1 and #2 players.

I might have been a little bit over the board but I'm so tired of those Celtics hater with national media entitlement...
1st sentence : I considered the Phi contending project done once Bynum went down... they missed the playoffs a year before us. we were still trying to contend playing in the playoffs while they were collecting their lottery picks... You might be technically right but I'm not technically wrong either...
2nd sentence : So our number #2 pick is mediocre but their #2 pick is the appointed futur star..? My whole point here is that it doesn't really matter if you were picked #2 (ET) or #60 (IT) it's what you become as a player in the NBA that matters...
And so far we are ahead of them as far as current impact winning.
Their players might become good but so might our players as well.
So to look at the rebuilds in the current stage at to insinuate that ours is the least effective is just stupid.
As for your last sentence, that is what is blatantly untrue in here.
Not all rebuilding teams have the quality of young prospect we have. A coupe of them just traded their lottery picks from last year for almost nothing!
Not all of them have a young team that made the playoffs last year!! with a rookie as their starting point guard.
And finally, no!!! The hard part is not finding the #1 and #2 draft picks!!
The hard part is finding the next Rudy Gobert at #23, the next draymond green, the next Butler or even the next steph curry outside of the top 10!! The next Ginobili the next parker...
Finding good to great NBA Players!! That impact Winning!! Not just your next hyped up Antony bennet or MKG.....
Matt Moore is a Celtics hater... I'm convinced of that...

Or are you just a homer? The Magic right now have a roster full of way more potential than us, that's a fact. The Sixers are tanking on purpose until they find the star of the future, he's stating the facts.  I don't think our young players outside of Smart are really that intriguing to anyone else in the league, the Magic have had higher picks and have  MULTIPLE guys who COULD be All-Stars. I don't even know if Smart becomes a All-Star.

Moore is just calling a spade a spade.

A pet peeve of mine is when folks confuse opinions and facts.

Fact is the Magic have way more higher drafted prospects than we do and the fact is if you look at history most All-Stars or Superstars are almost always in the top 10 of each draft. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but Orlando just has more of those top 10 guys than us. They could easily fizzle out and bust just as they could potentially be perennial All-Stars.

Now between Oladipo, Payton, Gordon, Mario, Harris, Vucavic vs. Smart, Young, Hunter, Rozier, Zeller, Sully, KO which group would you rather have going forward the next 5 years? Honestly I'd say the Magic, they already have a 20/10 guy in Vacavic (however u spell his name) and a bunch of young guns who could be great players.

[Rondo9]

That Matt Moore guy is a clueless Celtics hater!! Has been and continue to be!
Both Phi and Orl started their rebuild before us and we are set to be contending before them!
We are back in the playoff before them!

- Grooming young talent (a former # 2 pick, and two top 3 high school recruits and a # 6 pick). In addition to those, KO, Crowder, and a nice group of rookies Hunter, Rozier, Mickey, etc... all filled with potential!

I mean the first sentence is blatantly untrue, both Phi and Bos started rebuilding following the 2013 season.

And the 2nd sentence seems to imply that Evan Turner, a decidedly mediocre player, is now this #2 pick teeming with potential while portraying HS rankings as some sort of meaningful barometer for NBA players?

Almost every team going through a rebuild has guys like the ones you list, the hard part is finding the #1 and #2 players.

I might have been a little bit over the board but I'm so tired of those Celtics hater with national media entitlement...
1st sentence : I considered the Phi contending project done once Bynum went down... they missed the playoffs a year before us. we were still trying to contend playing in the playoffs while they were collecting their lottery picks... You might be technically right but I'm not technically wrong either...
2nd sentence : So our number #2 pick is mediocre but their #2 pick is the appointed futur star..? My whole point here is that it doesn't really matter if you were picked #2 (ET) or #60 (IT) it's what you become as a player in the NBA that matters...
And so far we are ahead of them as far as current impact winning.
Their players might become good but so might our players as well.
So to look at the rebuilds in the current stage at to insinuate that ours is the least effective is just stupid.
As for your last sentence, that is what is blatantly untrue in here.
Not all rebuilding teams have the quality of young prospect we have. A coupe of them just traded their lottery picks from last year for almost nothing!
Not all of them have a young team that made the playoffs last year!! with a rookie as their starting point guard.
And finally, no!!! The hard part is not finding the #1 and #2 draft picks!!
The hard part is finding the next Rudy Gobert at #23, the next draymond green, the next Butler or even the next steph curry outside of the top 10!! The next Ginobili the next parker...
Finding good to great NBA Players!! That impact Winning!! Not just your next hyped up Antony bennet or MKG.....
Matt Moore is a Celtics hater... I'm convinced of that...

Or are you just a homer? The Magic right now have a roster full of way more potential than us, that's a fact. The Sixers are tanking on purpose until they find the star of the future, he's stating the facts.  I don't think our young players outside of Smart are really that intriguing to anyone else in the league, the Magic have had higher picks and have  MULTIPLE guys who COULD be All-Stars. I don't even know if Smart becomes a All-Star.

Moore is just calling a spade a spade.

A pet peeve of mine is when folks confuse opinions and facts.

Fact is the Magic have way more higher drafted prospects than we do and the fact is if you look at history most All-Stars or Superstars are almost always in the top 10 of each draft. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but Orlando just has more of those top 10 guys than us. They could easily fizzle out and bust just as they could potentially be perennial All-Stars.

Now between Oladipo, Payton, Gordon, Mario, Harris, Vucavic vs. Smart, Young, Hunter, Rozier, Zeller, Sully, KO which group would you rather have going forward the next 5 years? Honestly I'd say the Magic, they already have a 20/10 guy in Vacavic (however u spell his name) and a bunch of young guns who could be great players.

You know I'm beginng to think that vuceic is just a good stats on a bad team guy his offense is limited and his defense is awful

[Rondo9]

That Matt Moore guy is a clueless Celtics hater!! Has been and continue to be!
Both Phi and Orl started their rebuild before us and we are set to be contending before them!
We are back in the playoff before them!

- Grooming young talent (a former # 2 pick, and two top 3 high school recruits and a # 6 pick). In addition to those, KO, Crowder, and a nice group of rookies Hunter, Rozier, Mickey, etc... all filled with potential!

I mean the first sentence is blatantly untrue, both Phi and Bos started rebuilding following the 2013 season.

And the 2nd sentence seems to imply that Evan Turner, a decidedly mediocre player, is now this #2 pick teeming with potential while portraying HS rankings as some sort of meaningful barometer for NBA players?

Almost every team going through a rebuild has guys like the ones you list, the hard part is finding the #1 and #2 players.

I might have been a little bit over the board but I'm so tired of those Celtics hater with national media entitlement...
1st sentence : I considered the Phi contending project done once Bynum went down... they missed the playoffs a year before us. we were still trying to contend playing in the playoffs while they were collecting their lottery picks... You might be technically right but I'm not technically wrong either...
2nd sentence : So our number #2 pick is mediocre but their #2 pick is the appointed futur star..? My whole point here is that it doesn't really matter if you were picked #2 (ET) or #60 (IT) it's what you become as a player in the NBA that matters...
And so far we are ahead of them as far as current impact winning.
Their players might become good but so might our players as well.
So to look at the rebuilds in the current stage at to insinuate that ours is the least effective is just stupid.
As for your last sentence, that is what is blatantly untrue in here.
Not all rebuilding teams have the quality of young prospect we have. A coupe of them just traded their lottery picks from last year for almost nothing!
Not all of them have a young team that made the playoffs last year!! with a rookie as their starting point guard.
And finally, no!!! The hard part is not finding the #1 and #2 draft picks!!
The hard part is finding the next Rudy Gobert at #23, the next draymond green, the next Butler or even the next steph curry outside of the top 10!! The next Ginobili the next parker...
Finding good to great NBA Players!! That impact Winning!! Not just your next hyped up Antony bennet or MKG.....
Matt Moore is a Celtics hater... I'm convinced of that...

Or are you just a homer? The Magic right now have a roster full of way more potential than us, that's a fact. The Sixers are tanking on purpose until they find the star of the future, he's stating the facts.  I don't think our young players outside of Smart are really that intriguing to anyone else in the league, the Magic have had higher picks and have  MULTIPLE guys who COULD be All-Stars. I don't even know if Smart becomes a All-Star.

Moore is just calling a spade a spade.

A pet peeve of mine is when folks confuse opinions and facts.

Agreed it is Fustrating to be labeled a homer for being optimistic with the celtics prospects

[Bosstown]

That Matt Moore guy is a clueless Celtics hater!! Has been and continue to be!
Both Phi and Orl started their rebuild before us and we are set to be contending before them!
We are back in the playoff before them!

- Grooming young talent (a former # 2 pick, and two top 3 high school recruits and a # 6 pick). In addition to those, KO, Crowder, and a nice group of rookies Hunter, Rozier, Mickey, etc... all filled with potential!

I mean the first sentence is blatantly untrue, both Phi and Bos started rebuilding following the 2013 season.

And the 2nd sentence seems to imply that Evan Turner, a decidedly mediocre player, is now this #2 pick teeming with potential while portraying HS rankings as some sort of meaningful barometer for NBA players?

Almost every team going through a rebuild has guys like the ones you list, the hard part is finding the #1 and #2 players.

I might have been a little bit over the board but I'm so tired of those Celtics hater with national media entitlement...
1st sentence : I considered the Phi contending project done once Bynum went down... they missed the playoffs a year before us. we were still trying to contend playing in the playoffs while they were collecting their lottery picks... You might be technically right but I'm not technically wrong either...
2nd sentence : So our number #2 pick is mediocre but their #2 pick is the appointed futur star..? My whole point here is that it doesn't really matter if you were picked #2 (ET) or #60 (IT) it's what you become as a player in the NBA that matters...
And so far we are ahead of them as far as current impact winning.
Their players might become good but so might our players as well.
So to look at the rebuilds in the current stage at to insinuate that ours is the least effective is just stupid.
As for your last sentence, that is what is blatantly untrue in here.
Not all rebuilding teams have the quality of young prospect we have. A coupe of them just traded their lottery picks from last year for almost nothing!
Not all of them have a young team that made the playoffs last year!! with a rookie as their starting point guard.
And finally, no!!! The hard part is not finding the #1 and #2 draft picks!!
The hard part is finding the next Rudy Gobert at #23, the next draymond green, the next Butler or even the next steph curry outside of the top 10!! The next Ginobili the next parker...
Finding good to great NBA Players!! That impact Winning!! Not just your next hyped up Antony bennet or MKG.....
Matt Moore is a Celtics hater... I'm convinced of that...

Or are you just a homer? The Magic right now have a roster full of way more potential than us, that's a fact. The Sixers are tanking on purpose until they find the star of the future, he's stating the facts.  I don't think our young players outside of Smart are really that intriguing to anyone else in the league, the Magic have had higher picks and have  MULTIPLE guys who COULD be All-Stars. I don't even know if Smart becomes a All-Star.

Moore is just calling a spade a spade.

A pet peeve of mine is when folks confuse opinions and facts.

Agreed it is Fustrating to be labeled a homer for being optimistic with the celtics prospects

and ur labeling Matt Moore as a "hater" for being down on our prospects

[drogbagarnett]

Moore is just calling a spade a spade.

A pet peeve of mine is when folks confuse opinions and facts.

Agreed it is Fustrating to be labeled a homer for being optimistic with the celtics prospects

and ur labeling Matt Moore as a "hater" for being down on our prospects
[/quote]

Not for being down on our propects only, but because he rejoices when we fail and always find excuses to never give us credit when we succeed... Frankly he is not the only one and I dont need him to be a Celtics lover just fair in his assessment if it's not too much to ask...
But anyways let me go through a few of the replies above...

[drogbagarnett]

That Matt Moore guy is a clueless Celtics hater!! Has been and continue to be!
Both Phi and Orl started their rebuild before us and we are set to be contending before them!
We are back in the playoff before them!

- Grooming young talent (a former # 2 pick, and two top 3 high school recruits and a # 6 pick). In addition to those, KO, Crowder, and a nice group of rookies Hunter, Rozier, Mickey, etc... all filled with potential!

I mean the first sentence is blatantly untrue, both Phi and Bos started rebuilding following the 2013 season.

And the 2nd sentence seems to imply that Evan Turner, a decidedly mediocre player, is now this #2 pick teeming with potential while portraying HS rankings as some sort of meaningful barometer for NBA players?

Almost every team going through a rebuild has guys like the ones you list, the hard part is finding the #1 and #2 players.

I might have been a little bit over the board but I'm so tired of those Celtics hater with national media entitlement...
1st sentence : I considered the Phi contending project done once Bynum went down... they missed the playoffs a year before us. we were still trying to contend playing in the playoffs while they were collecting their lottery picks... You might be technically right but I'm not technically wrong either...
2nd sentence : So our number #2 pick is mediocre but their #2 pick is the appointed futur star..? My whole point here is that it doesn't really matter if you were picked #2 (ET) or #60 (IT) it's what you become as a player in the NBA that matters...
And so far we are ahead of them as far as current impact winning.
Their players might become good but so might our players as well.
So to look at the rebuilds in the current stage at to insinuate that ours is the least effective is just stupid.
As for your last sentence, that is what is blatantly untrue in here.
Not all rebuilding teams have the quality of young prospect we have. A coupe of them just traded their lottery picks from last year for almost nothing!
Not all of them have a young team that made the playoffs last year!! with a rookie as their starting point guard.
And finally, no!!! The hard part is not finding the #1 and #2 draft picks!!
The hard part is finding the next Rudy Gobert at #23, the next draymond green, the next Butler or even the next steph curry outside of the top 10!! The next Ginobili the next parker...
Finding good to great NBA Players!! That impact Winning!! Not just your next hyped up Antony bennet or MKG.....
Matt Moore is a Celtics hater... I'm convinced of that...

Or are you just a homer? The Magic right now have a roster full of way more potential than us, that's a fact. The Sixers are tanking on purpose until they find the star of the future, he's stating the facts.  I don't think our young players outside of Smart are really that intriguing to anyone else in the league, the Magic have had higher picks and have  MULTIPLE guys who COULD be All-Stars. I don't even know if Smart becomes a All-Star.

Moore is just calling a spade a spade.

A pet peeve of mine is when folks confuse opinions and facts.

Fact is the Magic have way more higher drafted prospects than we do and the fact is if you look at history most All-Stars or Superstars are almost always in the top 10 of each draft. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but Orlando just has more of those top 10 guys than us. They could easily fizzle out and bust just as they could potentially be perennial All-Stars.

Now between Oladipo, Payton, Gordon, Mario, Harris, Vucavic vs. Smart, Young, Hunter, Rozier, Zeller, Sully, KO which group would you rather have going forward the next 5 years? Honestly I'd say the Magic, they already have a 20/10 guy in Vacavic (however u spell his name) and a bunch of young guns who could be great players.

If you are talking about higher picks I can show you a bunch of top 10 picks that are merely good players and a bunch of picks out of the top 10 that turned to be stars... So your argument based on draft rank is an opinion more than a fact. (FWIW, ET was #2 and AB and Sully were top ranked as well... so what...?).

I am talking about our players impacting winning better than theirs... I believe in culture and character... A winning culture with high character players will top your over hyped draft picks!
Matt Moore was finding excuses for Lakers' 2nd pick disastrous performance in Summer League while mocking Rozier (who played very well at least). Call it how you like I call it hater... :-)

[Future Celtics Owner]

Orlando has mired in the lottery for years. They should be trying to break out of it at all costs. How many times have they won the lottery? How has it worked out for them? Did Shaq bring them a banner? Did Penny? Dwight? Do you think Oladipo will? Best of luck!

Orlando got two Finals appearances and a great many wins from Shaq and Dwight.  I doubt they really regret losing the games necessary to draft them.

I'd say the fact that you weren't able to win a title with the two historically dominant big men you drafted at the top of the lottery is not a good reason to avoid trying to get another star in the lottery.

All in all, I'd say the Magic are doing a pretty good job with their rebuild so far.  They've assembled some nice talent.  They've spent enough time in the lottery since Dwight left, though, and now they need to see what they can make of the players they've assembled.


I wish the Celtics would actually spend some time assembling players in that manner before trying to move on to the next step, but they've got a different plan in mind.



Also, to jpotter I'd say that Gordon, Oladipo, Hezonja, Vucevic, and Harris definitely have higher ceilings than Smart.  That's my opinion.  Peyton maybe, maybe not.  I'm not as sold on him as others.  Having a higher ceiling doesn't mean when all is said and done that Smart won't be better than all of them. 

Nonetheless, the Magic have a nice crop of young players with All-Star potential, though I don't see any of them as a future superstar.

The issue for the Celtics isn't that Smart is a lesser prospect than those guys.  It's that the Magic have a whole lineup of players like that, while the Celtics have one.

That would be my dream. If we keep trying to win with role players we are going to find ourselves starting another rebuild in a few years.

[Greyman]

The way the rebuild has gone so far has forced many fans to reassess where 'we are at' a number of times. Expectations of moving up in the draft and star free agents have made many want more by now. I have been guilty of these thoughts and can't, honestly, come out and say I think it has been a great rebuild so far.

I do accept that DA has done what he can and tried to make some other things happen that just didn't eventuate. I am happy with what he has done with the opportunities available. The team is stronger, young players are still developing and signs are good. Stevens has been the biggest asset gained since 08 probably and he has the team playing/developing nicely. The major asset we require/want might be snared by what is in place.

Rather than worrying about who is the Celtic's best player, I am more interested in what is the Celtic's best combination. While I would love to be feeling that we are contenders, I am happy we are heading that way and eager to see what CBS can do with this squad, who will shine and show improvement and what the competition for places brings.

I doubt we have to start over with the rebuild in a year or two. I expect we will be writing here about how patience won the day.

[Celtics18]

That Matt Moore guy is a clueless Celtics hater!! Has been and continue to be!
Both Phi and Orl started their rebuild before us and we are set to be contending before them!
We are back in the playoff before them!

- Grooming young talent (a former # 2 pick, and two top 3 high school recruits and a # 6 pick). In addition to those, KO, Crowder, and a nice group of rookies Hunter, Rozier, Mickey, etc... all filled with potential!

I mean the first sentence is blatantly untrue, both Phi and Bos started rebuilding following the 2013 season.

And the 2nd sentence seems to imply that Evan Turner, a decidedly mediocre player, is now this #2 pick teeming with potential while portraying HS rankings as some sort of meaningful barometer for NBA players?

Almost every team going through a rebuild has guys like the ones you list, the hard part is finding the #1 and #2 players.

I might have been a little bit over the board but I'm so tired of those Celtics hater with national media entitlement...
1st sentence : I considered the Phi contending project done once Bynum went down... they missed the playoffs a year before us. we were still trying to contend playing in the playoffs while they were collecting their lottery picks... You might be technically right but I'm not technically wrong either...
2nd sentence : So our number #2 pick is mediocre but their #2 pick is the appointed futur star..? My whole point here is that it doesn't really matter if you were picked #2 (ET) or #60 (IT) it's what you become as a player in the NBA that matters...
And so far we are ahead of them as far as current impact winning.
Their players might become good but so might our players as well.
So to look at the rebuilds in the current stage at to insinuate that ours is the least effective is just stupid.
As for your last sentence, that is what is blatantly untrue in here.
Not all rebuilding teams have the quality of young prospect we have. A coupe of them just traded their lottery picks from last year for almost nothing!
Not all of them have a young team that made the playoffs last year!! with a rookie as their starting point guard.
And finally, no!!! The hard part is not finding the #1 and #2 draft picks!!
The hard part is finding the next Rudy Gobert at #23, the next draymond green, the next Butler or even the next steph curry outside of the top 10!! The next Ginobili the next parker...
Finding good to great NBA Players!! That impact Winning!! Not just your next hyped up Antony bennet or MKG.....
Matt Moore is a Celtics hater... I'm convinced of that...

Or are you just a homer? The Magic right now have a roster full of way more potential than us, that's a fact. The Sixers are tanking on purpose until they find the star of the future, he's stating the facts.  I don't think our young players outside of Smart are really that intriguing to anyone else in the league, the Magic have had higher picks and have  MULTIPLE guys who COULD be All-Stars. I don't even know if Smart becomes a All-Star.

Moore is just calling a spade a spade.

A pet peeve of mine is when folks confuse opinions and facts.

Fact is the Magic have way more higher drafted prospects than we do and the fact is if you look at history most All-Stars or Superstars are almost always in the top 10 of each draft. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but Orlando just has more of those top 10 guys than us. They could easily fizzle out and bust just as they could potentially be perennial All-Stars.

Now between Oladipo, Payton, Gordon, Mario, Harris, Vucavic vs. Smart, Young, Hunter, Rozier, Zeller, Sully, KO which group would you rather have going forward the next 5 years? Honestly I'd say the Magic, they already have a 20/10 guy in Vacavic (however u spell his name) and a bunch of young guns who could be great players.

 The bolded part is a fact.  The italicized part is untrue.

The rest is an opinion. 

 

[Celtics4ever]

I am happy we are heading that way

We got swept in the first round of the playoffs, what are you smoking?   I think the team over performed last year and played hard.   They were fun to watch, but contending, I think the playoffs should have shown people just how little doing well in the Eastern Conference meant.