who really won the Celtic Brooklyn trade

[Ilikesports17]

The Wallace thing is kind of legit, but imagine his contract didnt eexist for the last few years. Do we do anything different? i ddont think so.

Wallace could be troublesome this year, but I think we will be able to flip him out for a first or maybe even get value for him at the deadline.

the haul
for
Pierce
the corpse of KG and Terry
eating Wallace
we got
IT4
Zeller
James Young
Brooklyn 2016
right to swap Brooklyn 2017
Brooklyn 2018
...
not bad

[Ogaju]

wouldn't it be more accurate if instead of the line item 'eating Wallace' you wrote the actual cost of Wallace which is $40,000,000?

[Denis998]

wouldn't it be more accurate if instead of the line item 'eating Wallace' you wrote the actual cost of Wallace which is $40,000,000?

You make it seem like we paid him 40m per year. KG, PP, and JT contracts added up to be about that much anyway.

[GC003332]

wouldn't it be more accurate if instead of the line item 'eating Wallace' you wrote the actual cost of Wallace which is $40,000,000?

He signed that "$40,000,000" contract before his final season with the Nets, so they paid the first season of it , as a previous poster mentioned he has only been with the Celtics for 2 seasons, it is yet to be seen what can made out of deal in the last year of it , so the $40,000,000 figure is wrong.

[Celtics4ever]

We won it and I feel sorry that someone can't see it to ask this question.  They went all out for a title and they gambled their future, they did not get a title and we have their future picks.

WE WON IT.

[Roy H.]

The Wallace thing is kind of legit, but imagine his contract didnt eexist for the last few years. Do we do anything different? i ddont think so.

I don't think we can say that Danny wouldn't have done anything differently.  For instance, with the full MLE, rather than the Taxpayer's MLE, maybe we sign a different free agent other than Evan Turner.  Maybe we sign multiple free agents.  Maybe the Celtics could have used a larger chunk of their trade exceptions without worrying about exceeding the tax.

It's impossible to know what Danny would have done with some additional flexibility. 

That doesn't change the value of the trade, or it being an excellent trade for the Celts.  However, Wallace's contract undoubtedly had an impact in terms of what the Celts could have done, even if those moves would have been presumably minor.

[BudweiserCeltic]

The Wallace thing is kind of legit, but imagine his contract didnt eexist for the last few years. Do we do anything different? i ddont think so.

I don't think we can say that Danny wouldn't have done anything differently.  For instance, with the full MLE, rather than the Taxpayer's MLE, maybe we sign a different free agent other than Evan Turner.  Maybe we sign multiple free agents.  Maybe the Celtics could have used a larger chunk of their trade exceptions without worrying about exceeding the tax.

It's impossible to know what Danny would have done with some additional flexibility. 

That doesn't change the value of the trade, or it being an excellent trade for the Celts.  However, Wallace's contract undoubtedly had an impact in terms of what the Celts could have done, even if those moves would have been presumably minor.

Well, there are some things to consider in the hypothetical that we could've done much of the deal anyways with Brooklyn without Wallace.

Say we say no to Wallace, which player's salary would've still been on our books last Summer? Jason Terry? Would that put us enough under to allow us the use of the full MLE? What about Keith Bogan's contract and the potential to keep him or waive him during the Summer and its impact on having the full MLE? Would Bogan's still be needed to accomplish the trade to match salaries (well let's not dwell to much on these details).

Without trading for Wallace, would we still have gotten the TPE that allowed us to absorb Marcus Thornton and acquired Zeller+Pick? And I think portion of this TPE was also used to acquire Isaiah Thomas if not mistaken.

In order to use the full MLE, do traded players exceptions need to be renounced? Or do they not count towards that (my memory is failing me on this particular)? I mean, when calculating what type of exception a team has, is the TPE considered?

I wish I still have access somewhere to our whole cap situation from last Summer, but all the sites have updated since.

Lastly, say we don't do the trade period... would we still have had the full MLE last Summer?

And of course losing whatever picks we gained for the inclusion of Wallace.

So I agree with, if it's true that without Wallace, and taking into consideration everything else, we would've been able to use the full MLE chances are that we might have done something differently last Summer... maybe.

And after that... would we have been better off? I really really don't think so.

[Ilikesports17]

The Wallace thing is kind of legit, but imagine his contract didnt eexist for the last few years. Do we do anything different? i ddont think so.

I don't think we can say that Danny wouldn't have done anything differently.  For instance, with the full MLE, rather than the Taxpayer's MLE, maybe we sign a different free agent other than Evan Turner.  Maybe we sign multiple free agents.  Maybe the Celtics could have used a larger chunk of their trade exceptions without worrying about exceeding the tax.

It's impossible to know what Danny would have done with some additional flexibility. 

That doesn't change the value of the trade, or it being an excellent trade for the Celts.  However, Wallace's contract undoubtedly had an impact in terms of what the Celts could have done, even if those moves would have been presumably minor.

Thats a good point, but that the kind of impact that it had. He offered us good leadership etc at the cost of a few minor ET type moves. Its not without Gerald Wallace we could have gone out and signed Lebron James last summer.

Now this offseason he could cause more issues but I dont expect him too.

[positivitize]

How is this still a thread? This discussion is absurd. We. Won. The. Trade.

The Nets have finished benefiting from The Trade. The Celtics have only begun to reap the rewards. Last season was the tipping point. Last season we were the 8th seed and they were the 7th. That will be the last time (excluding some major unforeseen) that the Nets will be higher than the Celtics for the next 3 years.

Look what the Nets got. One offseason of buzz and contender hype and two back to back playoff appearances in the lEastern Conference. That's. It. That's what they mortgaged their future for.

We have four shots to make the trade worth it. The first shot turned into James Young and we still don't know if we struck gold or not. We get shot #2 next year.

The Trade gave the Celtics hope for the future. The Trade gave the Nets (false) hope immediately. 

It's a bright future for the guys in green.