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Re: NBA lottery reform = Ainge's MASTER rebuild strategy
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2015, 11:17:54 AM »

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OP I am with you on the lottery reforms coming sooner than later.
I really don't know and you could be right, but I think Ainge is also an opportunist. Even without potential lottery reform I can't see Ainge doing anything differently than drive down the road he's already chosen-those picks are just Danny trying to cash in and build his trade arsenal of 'assets' to nab potential free agents or move up the draft.
He just plays all the angles.

But to be fair, you could be right and Ainge has heard enough along the grapevine to go into 'pick' overdrive, knowing that the outcome can only be better than where we were without all these bloody picks (in most cases).
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: NBA lottery reform = Ainge's MASTER rebuild strategy
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2015, 11:19:08 AM »

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Do you think they will happen this year, I am guessing no.   Next year will be the year we want them.

Re: NBA lottery reform = Ainge's MASTER rebuild strategy
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2015, 12:42:09 PM »

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I think a free throw shooting contest between all the organizations mascots would settle this issue just fine.

Re: NBA lottery reform = Ainge's MASTER rebuild strategy
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2015, 01:35:40 PM »

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OP I am with you on the lottery reforms coming sooner than later.
I really don't know and you could be right, but I think Ainge is also an opportunist. Even without potential lottery reform I can't see Ainge doing anything differently than drive down the road he's already chosen-those picks are just Danny trying to cash in and build his trade arsenal of 'assets' to nab potential free agents or move up the draft.
He just plays all the angles.

But to be fair, you could be right and Ainge has heard enough along the grapevine to go into 'pick' overdrive, knowing that the outcome can only be better than where we were without all these bloody picks (in most cases).

Chambers you make a very good point. The draft picks benefit the Cs in many ways - trades, actually drafting players, and flexibility to move to up and down in the draft.  What I like about this idea of accumulating all these picks before lottery reform, is that DA 'bought' these picks by trading Doc, PP, KG, Rondo, Jeff Green, etc.. while they were at one value.  But if lottery reform goes through in the next couple of years, the draft picks will likley increase in value - this is true whether he uses them or trades them.   If Dallas makes the playoffs every year for the foreseable future then fine - that pick will land where it will.  But when a team or three misses the playoffs among Memphis, the Clips, NJ or the Cavs in coming years, that pick could become much more valuable. 

Classic buy low, sell high strategy.


Re: NBA lottery reform = Ainge's MASTER rebuild strategy
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2015, 02:27:50 PM »

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This means the value of all these picks will very likely skyrocket in the near future. 

Not necessarily.  It's possible that any significant lottery reform will be implemented so that it doesn't come into effect until after all currently traded picks have been used.
Yes, also not necessarily more valuable since we actually do not know what the lottery reform will be. This is why it is hard to respond to the OP.

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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2015, 02:36:14 PM »

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I think a free throw shooting contest between all the organizations mascots would settle this issue just fine.

If Lucky gets to use the trampoline, I have no issue with this idea.

Mike

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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2015, 02:38:30 PM »

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Something had to be done to prevent teams buying bad players to loose on purpose.

I think once you get a Top first pick.....you automatically head to the back of the line .....so NO team can be the Cavs and get the first pick year after year.....and if you tank one year get a top five pick ....then you head to rear to pick next year

There needs to be rules to prevent teams trying to tank ....consecutive   Years in a row.

Their should be rules in place to discourage teams acting like Knicks , Lakers ,and 76'ers

Every team should do their best to Win every year. 

Teams that sell off their players to be bad ....should be punished not rewarded ......this is a disservice to fans playing huge dollars for tickets.

Re: NBA lottery reform = Ainge's MASTER rebuild strategy
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2015, 03:37:57 PM »

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I think a free throw shooting contest between all the organizations mascots would settle this issue just fine.

Can Rondo partake?

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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2015, 03:56:09 PM »

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Sure, he'll represent the other 29 teams.

Seriously, though, I think it would be tough to enact lottery reform until all the previously traded picks are out of the way.  Much as I love the idea of a Memphis or Cleveland pick being worth something, I wouldn't want to risk the Nets picks.  Or the Dallas pick, for that matter.  I still believe that it will be a lottery pick next year, hopefully not too good of one.

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2015, 04:42:55 PM »

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You are aware it got shut down and the small market teams were also against not just Philly.

Groan. This is why I haven't posted here for years - people love to dismiss thoughtful posts with one line responses.  To answer your question, try reading this article...like I said, lottery reform is a very likely question of when/how, not if.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-rejects-lottery-reform/
The proposal needed 23 votes and got only 17 despite being backed up by Silver and the Media.
If from the above you conclude that  the next reform is ready to take place, you might have to reconsider who is not being thoughtful in his responses lol.

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« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2015, 04:49:45 PM »

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Their whole plan was dumb. Slightly decreasing the odds of the worst teams and stabilizing the odds throughout would only make teams tank slightly less hard, but it would make other teams tank harder to get into the group of the worst four or five teams that have the same odds.

They need to put certain limits and conditions on draft position in order to decrease tanking. Conditions like only being able to be in the top 3 once every three years encourages teams to not tank by taking away the incentives of tanking.
Tanking is not such a big issue as ppl make it to seem.
This is a silly media driven narrative. In any league (even in a closed one like the NBA) you will have teams that suck. Take the UEFA Champions League for instance: no incentive to lose whatsoever but still EVERY YEAR you have teams that perform really badly.
So, just step back and think for a moment: is not just natural that some teams under-perform? Is it even possible to have a league where all teams will have 25 or more wins?
To keep things specific, Philly was projected to have less than 10 wins this year and was compared to Kentucky. They already have 12 and have had really good games against SAS, Cavs and Hawks. Still I have not heard a SINGLE journalist apologize for writing garbage on them during the summer.
The other two tanksters can be easily explained away: Minny is primarily a victim of injuries.
And NYK invested too much on the bust called Melo.
So, what's the big deal with teams purposefully losing games?
Me thinks no matter what the lottery system in place will be, there will always be a couple of teams with less than 20 wins per regular season. So what?

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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2015, 10:48:05 PM »

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Ainge didn't make the trades based on any master plan other than to get as much assets as possible for guys who were too old/likely leaving anyway. Seeing as the last lottery reform proposal failed, I don't think the odds are the system will change in the near future.

The more likely reform that could benefit the C's is playoff and conference realignment, something Silver has been pushing hard for recently in public. If the scheduling and playoffs were more fairly structured, bad teams in the East like Brooklyn would have a tougher time winning and an even tougher time making the playoffs. That equals a better pick for the Celtics!

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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2015, 10:56:55 PM »

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sounds crazy

Ainge did what any GM would when rebuilding
that is to accumulate as many assets as u can and trade veteran players to tank