Bass to Bucks (idea)

[CFAN38]

I have read on Twitter that Kidd is meeting with Kenyon Martin. Speculation that the meeting is because the Bucks are very thin at the 4 with injuries to Parker and Iliyasova.

This seems like a good fit for Bass, they are currently 7+ mill under the cap so they could simply do a Bass for a 2nd rd pick swap. This could also create a good situation to work a 3 team deal.

Maybe a painful tank trade like the following

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ohb86hj

Cs get E Gordon, L Babbit, J BryanIII, NO 1st  (if 20-30 this year, 25-30 next available year after that), future bucks 2nd

NO gets J Green , Wallace

Bucks get Bass

Why

Cs move vets and open roles for young players. Greens minutes go to Turner, Crowder and Young. Bass to KO, Sully and Wright. Gordon is a high ceiling reclamation project who if healthy fits great with Smart, Ab and Turner. This trade is a tank move, end of story.

NO, they lose their pick this year if its not top 3 or 20-30 so might as well go all in. Green gives them scoring and outside shooting on th perimeter with Evans and Holiday. Wallace gives them value as a vet hustle guy on their weak bench.

Bucks, they get a great vet presence while giving up little.

[slamtheking]

not horrible but not a fan of taking on Gordon for 2 reasons:
1. his contract is much more than Wallace's and just as long.
2. we're already backlogged at SG and you're adding another one who's a walking injury.

Also don't like losing 2 SFs for Babbitt.

I don't see NO doing it without getting a commitment from Green past this season.  I'm also fuzzy on the NO pick.  they owe it to Houston. I may be wrong about this but I don't think they can commit to trading another future first until that one is conveyed to Houston.

Milwaukee needs to kick in more than a scrub and a second for Bass.  they're getting much more than they're giving up.

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Zero chance Ainge takes on additional salary for next year, unless it's a core addition. And the Bucks are reported to be thinking long term in all current moves. Celtics are not getting more than 2nd or a bench player for Bass.

I pose this: who says "no" to a Sully for Henson swap? I suspect the Bucks, but I'd be willing to throw in another asset to do it.

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woops -- double post

[CFAN38]

Zero chance Ainge takes on additional salary for next year, unless it's a core addition. And the Bucks are reported to be thinking long term in all current moves. Celtics are not getting more than 2nd or a bench player for Bass.

I pose this: who says "no" to a Sully for Henson swap? I suspect the Bucks, but I'd be willing to throw in another asset to do it.

I do not think Ainge is scared to take on salary for next season. What is that cap space going to gain the celtics? E Gordon at 5mill more then Wallace isn't terrible for the celtics. I dont think the Cs will make waves in Free Agency this off-season. At most they will throw big $$ at a RFA like Butler or Leonard only to watch their teams match it. 2015-2016 the Cs will be similar to Orlando this year young with a few vets mixed in. I expect the Cs will make big changes in the 2016 off-season.

[CFAN38]

Added another level to this idea


Cs get Kidd-Gilcrest, Biyombo, E Gordon, Fredette, Memphis 1st from Cavs (alot of protection till 2019), bucks future 2nd, NO 2nd

Cavs get Wright

Bucks get Bass

Bobcats get Green and Nelson

NO gets Thorton and Wallace


Cavs, get their big they desperately need

bobcats get offense and outside shooting they need

Bucks, as stated above gain vet PF

NO gets shooter and bench help, clear 5 mill for next season

Cs clean up roster depth chart would be the following

PG Smart, Jimmer/Pressy
SG AB, Gordon (when healthy), Young
SF MKG, Turner, Crowder
PF Sully, KO
C  Zeller, Biyombo

that would leave the Cs 13 players, either as throw ins to these trade or D-League pick up they would need to find a 5th big and maybe an additional 2/3. Maybe McAdoo or Birch.

[slamtheking]

we're giving up 6 rotation players
FOR
MKG who can't shoot
Biyombo who seems to be on a number of people's binky list but hasn't really shown anything yet
Gordon who gets paid more than Wallace and is chronically injured
Fredette is a basically a throw in at this point.  someone who'll be gone when his contract is up
1 1st from NO that they may not be able to trade and if they can, it's several years out.
2 seconds that will be in the middle of the second round at best.

waaaayyyyyy overpaying for how little you're getting back.  not sure what would balance this out.  at least another first but not sure who'd cough it up

[apc]

Poor Bass he can go for free as far as I am concerned. He deserves better than we can offer him.

[CFAN38]

we're giving up 6 rotation players
FOR
MKG who can't shoot
Biyombo who seems to be on a number of people's binky list but hasn't really shown anything yet
Gordon who gets paid more than Wallace and is chronically injured
Fredette is a basically a throw in at this point.  someone who'll be gone when his contract is up
1 1st from NO that they may not be able to trade and if they can, it's several years out.
2 seconds that will be in the middle of the second round at best.

waaaayyyyyy overpaying for how little you're getting back.  not sure what would balance this out.  at least another first but not sure who'd cough it up

What balances it our for me is the chance at a top 4 pick in this draft.

I agree the pick is fuzzy but I think it can be traded. MKG may not be a starting SF with his shooting but he is still very young and cheap. Biyombo would get his chance to prove himself in a 4 man rotation that should see him get 18-20min a game next to players who should compliment his lack of offense (KO and Sully). Gordon is over paid and injury prone there is no argueing that. He at 27 at least has a chance of doing something for the Cs next season while Wallace will be a year closer to retirement. Fredette is a throw but ive always been a fan, in a lost season why not watch Jimmer chuck up some 3s?

In the end lets not forget with what Rondo netted the Cs cant expect a big haul for these guys. When they can expect is that these vets will risk the Cs getting the best pick possible while taking minutes away from young players who need development.   

[slamtheking]

we're giving up 6 rotation players
FOR
MKG who can't shoot
Biyombo who seems to be on a number of people's binky list but hasn't really shown anything yet
Gordon who gets paid more than Wallace and is chronically injured
Fredette is a basically a throw in at this point.  someone who'll be gone when his contract is up
1 1st from NO that they may not be able to trade and if they can, it's several years out.
2 seconds that will be in the middle of the second round at best.

waaaayyyyyy overpaying for how little you're getting back.  not sure what would balance this out.  at least another first but not sure who'd cough it up

What balances it our for me is the chance at a top 4 pick in this draft.

ridding the team of 6 rotation-quality players doesn't make it any more likely to happen.  team stinks as it is without having to unload those players.  C's will be in the bottom 4 by the end of the year by doing nothing. 

I don't get the philosophy of helping other teams get better by giving them better players on better contracts, taking other teams underperformers/overpaid players and not getting something better than a first rounder we may not be able to get and a couple of late seconds particularly for the volume of assistance you're providing to the other teams.  it's not enough of an incentive to make this team's roster worse than Philly's to hope the lottery pans out for us in getting a pick.

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I pose this: who says "no" to a Sully for Henson swap? I suspect the Bucks, but I'd be willing to throw in another asset to do it.

Since this thread is going nowhere (sorry OP), I'd still be interested in folks thoughts here.