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Re: Revolutionary way for Rondo to improve his game.
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2014, 06:49:20 PM »

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Oh wait...did he not just come off of major knee surgery also....come on people.... Expect the same out of everyone, or nothing from everyone....
I think Rondo injured his knee on Jan 25, 2013.  Rondo played his first game last season on Jan 17, 2014 and the played for 3 months.  He was then able to rest and train for the off season.  It has been about 2 years since he "just" hurt his knee.  I think his knee is fine, or at least as fine as it is ever going to be.

I guess everyone has their own expectation of how well Rondo should play or is supposed to play but aren't better players expected to play better than role players?  And star players better than just good players?  I don't understand how we should expect the same from everyone.

For the record, Rondo is playing a little worse than I would expect.  My expectation is based on my acceptance that Rondo has some glaring flaws that can be exploited.  That is not his fault, any more than it is Olynyk's fault that he is slow and can't defend.

I did expect somewhat more aggressive scoring and scoring efficiency, I expected a little better man on man defense from him and of course better free throw shooting.  I have been impressed with his passing, rebounding, and his willingness to push the ball and give it up sooner in the possession when it makes sense to do so.

I felt I would be included in your group of "people" who are critical of Rondo.

Maybe you are one of the ones who think rondo will always hit all his shots, make all his passes, never miss a free throw of have a slump, like ALL PLAYERS DO. so when you compare anything, you need to maintain a STANDARD, otherwise you are lost with out anything real to compare it to. But, I don't expect much from...people like you......

Re: Revolutionary way for Rondo to improve his game.
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2014, 06:57:26 PM »

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I figured it out... I figured out how to fix one of Rondo's most crucial issues.   This is going to revolutionize the game of basketball. 

What's Rondo's biggest woe?  He can't hit free throws.  Thus, he doesn't penetrate inside for fear of going to the line.  Last night, he didn't attempt a single free throw.  He finished the game with 2 points.  His offensive ineptness makes him a liability down the stretch.

... But what if Rondo's weakness could be his strength?    This is some next level Basketball 2.0 stuff.  Prepare for the Rondinator. 

Rondo is currently shooting 30% from the foul line.  That means that each time he takes a free throw, it has a 30% chance of resulting in a point.  That means that each Rondo free throw attempt is worth  = 0.3 points.    Each trip to the foul line for Rondo (including both free throw attempts) is worth a whopping 0.6 points.

So Rondo can't shoot.  So what?  Who cares if he can't shoot.  What does Rondo do well?  What does Rondo do better than anybody?   Pass, baby!   Rondo is one of the finest passers in the league.  Let's strop trying to fit a round peg into a square hole.  Let's maximize what the guy actually exceeds at... passing. 

From now on, Rondo should stop wasting time practicing his free throws.  Why bother?   He should instead opt for practicing his front-rim pass. 

Here's the plan... on the first free throw attempt, Rondo can make a good faith effort to make the bucket.   He'll make it 30% of the time. 

On his second free throw attempt... unleash the Rondinator.   

Here's a typical diagram of a free throw lineup with Celtic players marked as green dots:



Instead of attempting a free throw, Rondo will execute a beautiful picture-perfect violent chest pass off the front of the rim... which will promptly bounce back into Rondo's hands safe and sound:



Once the ball is secure in Rondo's passerific paws, he will dippsidoodle a sick pass to one of the two players waiting behind the 3-point line.   I suggest passing the one who is most open, but I'll leave it to Rondo's passing instincts:



At this point, the player should shoot a wide open 3-pointer and hopefully make it.

BRILLIANT. 

Now, now... I know what you're thinking.  You're thinking, "A perfectly executed violent chest pass off the front of the rim is exceptionally difficult to pull off"... Uh... we're talking about Rondo here.  He's like... the best passer ever.  And let's think about this clearly...

A 3 pointer = 3 points if it goes in.   A Rondo free throw attempt = 0.3 points.   It would take 10 Rondo free throw attempts to equal 1 made 3-pointer.  So in other words, this plan only needs to work 1 out of 10 times for us to break even.   If an average shooter makes 33% of their 3-pointers, that means that each time an average shooter attempts a 3-pointer, it's worth about 1 point.  Thus, Rondo only needs to successfully execute the front-rim self-pass 3 out of the 10 times for us to break even (regardless of whether or not the player makes the shot)...  4 out of 10 times for this to be a wild success.   I don't know about you, but I'd take my chances on SuperPasser Rondo executing the front-rim chest pass 4 out of 10 attempts.  That's money in the bank, baby. 

I call it the 2-point free throw, since 4 out of 10 successful chest passes (regardless of whether or not the 3-point shot goes in) = 4 points... which is 1 point more than 10 Rondo Free throw attempts.   

5 out of 10 successful chest passes = 5 points (2 more than 10 Rondo free throw attempts). 

6 out of 10 successful chest passes = 6 points (3 more than 10 Rondo free throw attempts).   You get the idea.

Time to print Banner 18.  It's ovah.

You can usually fit a round peg in a square hole.  I believe you meant to say that we should stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, but you said you were up late, so no big deal lol ;D.

Re: Revolutionary way for Rondo to improve his game.
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2014, 06:58:23 PM »

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What is the rule against airball on a freethrow shot?

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Re: Revolutionary way for Rondo to improve his game.
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2014, 08:05:42 PM »

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Incredible. Well done LarBrd33, you should submit this to Grantland or something. TP

Re: Revolutionary way for Rondo to improve his game.
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2014, 08:16:02 PM »

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Oh wait...did he not just come off of major knee surgery also....come on people.... Expect the same out of everyone, or nothing from everyone....
I think Rondo injured his knee on Jan 25, 2013.  Rondo played his first game last season on Jan 17, 2014 and the played for 3 months.  He was then able to rest and train for the off season.  It has been about 2 years since he "just" hurt his knee.  I think his knee is fine, or at least as fine as it is ever going to be.

I guess everyone has their own expectation of how well Rondo should play or is supposed to play but aren't better players expected to play better than role players?  And star players better than just good players?  I don't understand how we should expect the same from everyone.

For the record, Rondo is playing a little worse than I would expect.  My expectation is based on my acceptance that Rondo has some glaring flaws that can be exploited.  That is not his fault, any more than it is Olynyk's fault that he is slow and can't defend.

I did expect somewhat more aggressive scoring and scoring efficiency, I expected a little better man on man defense from him and of course better free throw shooting.  I have been impressed with his passing, rebounding, and his willingness to push the ball and give it up sooner in the possession when it makes sense to do so.

I felt I would be included in your group of "people" who are critical of Rondo.

Maybe you are one of the ones who think rondo will always hit all his shots, make all his passes, never miss a free throw of have a slump, like ALL PLAYERS DO. so when you compare anything, you need to maintain a STANDARD, otherwise you are lost with out anything real to compare it to. But, I don't expect much from...people like you......
Ok, I will play along and speak for people like me. Rondo averaged something like 11 pts last year and I think this year 9 pts. I did not expect him to make every shot but I did expect that his scoring would increase as part of this being his team. And I know it is easy to pick on his free throw shooting but do you really think is is a reasonable argument to say what did you expect, he would make every free throw?  His free throw shooting is really bad and hurting the team.  Yes I am one of those people who expect better from any NBA player.  Clearly it bothers you that people like me hold that opinion but I really don't get why.

Re: Revolutionary way for Rondo to improve his game.
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2014, 08:29:56 PM »

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I figured it out... I figured out how to fix one of Rondo's most crucial issues.   This is going to revolutionize the game of basketball. 

What's Rondo's biggest woe?  He can't hit free throws.  Thus, he doesn't penetrate inside for fear of going to the line.  Last night, he didn't attempt a single free throw.  He finished the game with 2 points.  His offensive ineptness makes him a liability down the stretch.

... But what if Rondo's weakness could be his strength?    This is some next level Basketball 2.0 stuff.  Prepare for the Rondinator. 

Rondo is currently shooting 30% from the foul line.  That means that each time he takes a free throw, it has a 30% chance of resulting in a point.  That means that each Rondo free throw attempt is worth  = 0.3 points.    Each trip to the foul line for Rondo (including both free throw attempts) is worth a whopping 0.6 points.

So Rondo can't shoot.  So what?  Who cares if he can't shoot.  What does Rondo do well?  What does Rondo do better than anybody?   Pass, baby!   Rondo is one of the finest passers in the league.  Let's strop trying to fit a round peg into a square hole.  Let's maximize what the guy actually exceeds at... passing. 

From now on, Rondo should stop wasting time practicing his free throws.  Why bother?   He should instead opt for practicing his front-rim pass. 

Here's the plan... on the first free throw attempt, Rondo can make a good faith effort to make the bucket.   He'll make it 30% of the time. 

On his second free throw attempt... unleash the Rondinator.   

Here's a typical diagram of a free throw lineup with Celtic players marked as green dots:



Instead of attempting a free throw, Rondo will execute a beautiful picture-perfect violent chest pass off the front of the rim... which will promptly bounce back into Rondo's hands safe and sound:



Once the ball is secure in Rondo's passerific paws, he will dippsidoodle a sick pass to one of the two players waiting behind the 3-point line.   I suggest passing the one who is most open, but I'll leave it to Rondo's passing instincts:



At this point, the player should shoot a wide open 3-pointer and hopefully make it.

BRILLIANT. 

Now, now... I know what you're thinking.  You're thinking, "A perfectly executed violent chest pass off the front of the rim is exceptionally difficult to pull off"... Uh... we're talking about Rondo here.  He's like... the best passer ever.  And let's think about this clearly...

A 3 pointer = 3 points if it goes in.   A Rondo free throw attempt = 0.3 points.   It would take 10 Rondo free throw attempts to equal 1 made 3-pointer.  So in other words, this plan only needs to work 1 out of 10 times for us to break even.   If an average shooter makes 33% of their 3-pointers, that means that each time an average shooter attempts a 3-pointer, it's worth about 1 point.  Thus, Rondo only needs to successfully execute the front-rim self-pass 3 out of the 10 times for us to break even (regardless of whether or not the player makes the shot)...  4 out of 10 times for this to be a wild success.   I don't know about you, but I'd take my chances on SuperPasser Rondo executing the front-rim chest pass 4 out of 10 attempts.  That's money in the bank, baby. 

I call it the 2-point free throw, since 4 out of 10 successful chest passes (regardless of whether or not the 3-point shot goes in) = 4 points... which is 1 point more than 10 Rondo Free throw attempts.   

5 out of 10 successful chest passes = 5 points (2 more than 10 Rondo free throw attempts). 

6 out of 10 successful chest passes = 6 points (3 more than 10 Rondo free throw attempts).   You get the idea.

Time to print Banner 18.  It's ovah.

You can usually fit a round peg in a square hole.  I believe you meant to say that we should stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, but you said you were up late, so no big deal lol ;D.
No... i'm saying he should pass the round peg off the front of the square hole, let it bounce back into his hands...  and then dippsidoodle the peg off to someone who has a better shot of fitting it in. 

Re: Revolutionary way for Rondo to improve his game.
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2014, 08:43:48 PM »

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I figured it out... I figured out how to fix one of Rondo's most crucial issues.   This is going to revolutionize the game of basketball. 

What's Rondo's biggest woe?  He can't hit free throws.  Thus, he doesn't penetrate inside for fear of going to the line.  Last night, he didn't attempt a single free throw.  He finished the game with 2 points.  His offensive ineptness makes him a liability down the stretch.

... But what if Rondo's weakness could be his strength?    This is some next level Basketball 2.0 stuff.  Prepare for the Rondinator. 

Rondo is currently shooting 30% from the foul line.  That means that each time he takes a free throw, it has a 30% chance of resulting in a point.  That means that each Rondo free throw attempt is worth  = 0.3 points.    Each trip to the foul line for Rondo (including both free throw attempts) is worth a whopping 0.6 points.

So Rondo can't shoot.  So what?  Who cares if he can't shoot.  What does Rondo do well?  What does Rondo do better than anybody?   Pass, baby!   Rondo is one of the finest passers in the league.  Let's strop trying to fit a round peg into a square hole.  Let's maximize what the guy actually exceeds at... passing. 

From now on, Rondo should stop wasting time practicing his free throws.  Why bother?   He should instead opt for practicing his front-rim pass. 

Here's the plan... on the first free throw attempt, Rondo can make a good faith effort to make the bucket.   He'll make it 30% of the time. 

On his second free throw attempt... unleash the Rondinator.   

Here's a typical diagram of a free throw lineup with Celtic players marked as green dots:



Instead of attempting a free throw, Rondo will execute a beautiful picture-perfect violent chest pass off the front of the rim... which will promptly bounce back into Rondo's hands safe and sound:



Once the ball is secure in Rondo's passerific paws, he will dippsidoodle a sick pass to one of the two players waiting behind the 3-point line.   I suggest passing the one who is most open, but I'll leave it to Rondo's passing instincts:



At this point, the player should shoot a wide open 3-pointer and hopefully make it.

BRILLIANT. 

Now, now... I know what you're thinking.  You're thinking, "A perfectly executed violent chest pass off the front of the rim is exceptionally difficult to pull off"... Uh... we're talking about Rondo here.  He's like... the best passer ever.  And let's think about this clearly...

A 3 pointer = 3 points if it goes in.   A Rondo free throw attempt = 0.3 points.   It would take 10 Rondo free throw attempts to equal 1 made 3-pointer.  So in other words, this plan only needs to work 1 out of 10 times for us to break even.   If an average shooter makes 33% of their 3-pointers, that means that each time an average shooter attempts a 3-pointer, it's worth about 1 point.  Thus, Rondo only needs to successfully execute the front-rim self-pass 3 out of the 10 times for us to break even (regardless of whether or not the player makes the shot)...  4 out of 10 times for this to be a wild success.   I don't know about you, but I'd take my chances on SuperPasser Rondo executing the front-rim chest pass 4 out of 10 attempts.  That's money in the bank, baby. 

I call it the 2-point free throw, since 4 out of 10 successful chest passes (regardless of whether or not the 3-point shot goes in) = 4 points... which is 1 point more than 10 Rondo Free throw attempts.   

5 out of 10 successful chest passes = 5 points (2 more than 10 Rondo free throw attempts). 

6 out of 10 successful chest passes = 6 points (3 more than 10 Rondo free throw attempts).   You get the idea.

Time to print Banner 18.  It's ovah.


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