Will Sacramento go for Rondo without an extension guarantee?

[zimbo]

Uh the Rondo being traded ship has sailed. Sorry for all you folks that had your hope set high.

[Eddie20]

To think you would rather have soon to be 29 year old Rondo over just turned 21 year old Drummond going forward is laughable. Drummond is one of the most unattainable players in the league for good reason. The guy averaged 13.5 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 1.6 BPG, and shot 62% from the field. Is he limited offensively and a liability at the FT line? Sure, but Rondo isn't? However, one player is a big (something we lack) and one player is a PG (a position we just drafted).

You probably haven't seen Drummond play that much, if at all, and bash him simply because many say they would trade Rondo for him.

  And I'd guess that you don't know much about him other than his stats and youtube dunk highlights. You also don't seem to be able to differentiate between the league leader in assists and a player who's team plays close to 4 on 5 on offense with him when you use "offensively limited", which is pretty unsurprising.

Right, because Drummond in only his second season averaged (13.5) almost identical to Rondo's career high (13.7).

By that "4 on 5" comment I can definitely tell you haven't seen Drummond play. The guy is is an inside player, who usually scores off of putbacks and rolls to the basket, and has to be covered all the time because he plays inside. Are you trying to insinuate that teams leave him alone under the basket? This you know, is part of the problem with Detroit. Monroe and Drummond both need to be inside. Drummond's presence has caused Monroe to change his game an be further out than he needs to be.

  Congrats on noticing that Drummond is an inside player. The reason for the 4v5 comment, by the way, is because his teammates rarely give him the ball in the half court. Again, if you knew much about him you'd have been able to figure that out on your own.

It's funny that you used that "4 on 5" because how many teams do exactly that on us when Rondo doesn't have the ball?

  Not really. First of all, the claim that we play other teams 4v5 when Rondo doesn't have the ball is pretty absurd because Rondo has the ball more than anyone else on the team when he's in the game. Secondly, it's not true that we play 4v5 when Rondo doesn't have the ball because the team frequently passes the ball back to him when he doesn't have it. Lastly, you seem to be under the impression that defenders stick closely to most players when they don't have the ball but Rondo's defender completely ignores Rondo and wanders all over the court. That's just nonsense.

 

I also noticed you edited my post and didn't want to discuss Rondo's other stellar contributions in the last minute of the Cavs game.

  Sure, we should talk about the whole game though, or at least the whole half. I'm sure you documented his play in the 3rd quarter in the same detail as those last few play. Why don't you post that and we'll talk.

Tim, sometimes I think you just post stuff regardless of whether you believe what you're saying or not. For starters, there is no possible way you choose Rondo over Drummond going forward, especially with our team makeup, unless you're a complete (fill in adjective of your choice).

Player DO double off of Rondo. It happens, it happens a lot because he can't shoot. In fact, Bledsoe was doing it all night long yesterday. Go back and watch the game and see how much respect he was giving Rondo. Watch where Bledsoe is "playing him" in the video below and that's just 2 plays.

Ok, deal! We'll talk about the 3Q vs the Cavs only if we get to talk about his 4Q vs the Suns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLA_IB4RsA

[BballTim]

Player DO double off of Rondo. It happens, it happens a lot because he can't shoot. In fact, Bledsoe was doing it all night long yesterday. Go back and watch the game and see how much respect he was giving Rondo. Watch where Bledsoe is "playing him" in the video below and that's just 2 plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLA_IB4RsA

  Ok, so go ahead and look at your video, with 2 examples of Bledsoe not guarding Rondo. Look at the first of the two plays, which would be at 30 seconds or so. Figure out how far away from Rondo Bledsoe is. Then re-start your video, re-watch the Suns first two possessions. You'll see that our defenders are about the same distance from the Suns perimeter players who don't have the ball as Bledsoe was from Rondo before he stole the AB pass. Is that because all of the Suns players on the perimeter are dismal outside shooters? Of course not. That's the way teams typically defend. Your claims about this are hogwash.

[Eddie20]

Player DO double off of Rondo. It happens, it happens a lot because he can't shoot. In fact, Bledsoe was doing it all night long yesterday. Go back and watch the game and see how much respect he was giving Rondo. Watch where Bledsoe is "playing him" in the video below and that's just 2 plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLA_IB4RsA

  Ok, so go ahead and look at your video, with 2 examples of Bledsoe not guarding Rondo. Look at the first of the two plays, which would be at 30 seconds or so. Figure out how far away from Rondo Bledsoe is. Then re-start your video, re-watch the Suns first two possessions. You'll see that our defenders are about the same distance from the Suns perimeter players who don't have the ball as Bledsoe was from Rondo before he stole the AB pass. Is that because all of the Suns players on the perimeter are dismal outside shooters? Of course not. That's the way teams typically defend. Your claims about this are hogwash.

Depending on how close the player is from the ball, the tighter a defender has to be on them. If a player is on the weakside of the ball, then as a defender you don't need to be as tight because you have time to rotatate. The last play of the game Rondo was on the strongside and Bledsoe completely abandoned Rondo to double. On the Green charge Bledsoe abandoned Rondo and drew the foul. Bledsoe was playing free safety out there. Either you don't know what to look for or you don't want to. Either one is fallible.

[BballTim]

Player DO double off of Rondo. It happens, it happens a lot because he can't shoot. In fact, Bledsoe was doing it all night long yesterday. Go back and watch the game and see how much respect he was giving Rondo. Watch where Bledsoe is "playing him" in the video below and that's just 2 plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLA_IB4RsA

  Ok, so go ahead and look at your video, with 2 examples of Bledsoe not guarding Rondo. Look at the first of the two plays, which would be at 30 seconds or so. Figure out how far away from Rondo Bledsoe is. Then re-start your video, re-watch the Suns first two possessions. You'll see that our defenders are about the same distance from the Suns perimeter players who don't have the ball as Bledsoe was from Rondo before he stole the AB pass. Is that because all of the Suns players on the perimeter are dismal outside shooters? Of course not. That's the way teams typically defend. Your claims about this are hogwash.

Depending on how close the player is from the ball, the tighter a defender has to be on them. If a player is on the weakside of the ball, then as a defender you don't need to be as tight because you have time to rotatate. The last play of the game Rondo was on the strongside and Bledsoe completely abandoned Rondo to double. On the Green charge Bledsoe abandoned Rondo and drew the foul. Bledsoe was playing free safety out there. Either you don't know what to look for or you don't want to. Either one is fallible.

  Bledsoe completely abandoned Rondo after Green lost control of the ball. If you really want to see an example of someone completely abandoning someone on the perimeter in order to double the ball, look at the Celts defending the Suns a few plays earlier in the video. If you want to find someone guarding a player like Bledsoe guarded Rondo before the steal, look at Green playing free safety before *his* steal. The simple truth of the matter is that if someone looked at that video without any context to find a player on either team that the opponents don't guard there's no real reason they'd choose Rondo. You're either too entrenched in your stance or too easily influenced by what you hear or read to take an unbiased look at what you think you're seeing.