Smart for embiid?

[saltlover]

If Embid's medicals were to clear him, of course you make that trade.  You get it done immediately, before the 76ers have a chance to change their minds.

If Embiid's medicals were clear, then that trade isn't possible.  Of course, his medicals are a huge issue, and therefore I woudln't do it.

[Scintan]

If Embid's medicals were to clear him, of course you make that trade.  You get it done immediately, before the 76ers have a chance to change their minds.

If Embiid's medicals were clear, then that trade isn't possible.  Of course, his medicals are a huge issue, and therefore I woudln't do it.

Teams clear differently, so I don't worry about that.  And the Celtics aren't going anywhere until they get size. 

The deal's a no brainer.  You make it 11 times out of 10.

[LarBrd33]

If Embid's medicals were to clear him, of course you make that trade.  You get it done immediately, before the 76ers have a chance to change their minds.

At the 32 minute mark these dudes talk about going clubbing with Embiid on Saturday.  Sounds like he's fine:  http://www.barstoolsports.com/philadelphia/bs-sports-life-podcast-the-time-we-partied-with-joel-embiid-and-why-nerlens-noel-hates-my-existance/
 

If I'm Hinkie, I probably don't move anyone right now... especially for a bunch of mediocre unknowns from Boston.   Instead, I roll into next season with a 3-man big rotation of Noel, Embiid and Okafor.  It doesn't matter if it doesn't work, because the team is in for the long haul.    They can split the 96 minutes at PF/C and each play 32 minutes each.    See what you got with them.  See if one starts outperforming the others.   See if having Okafor vs Embiid in practice every day causes one to rise above the other (I think Embiid has a much higher ceiling, honestly).  See if Noel learns some post moves from the other two.  It's a heck of a luxury.  Hinkie will hold all the cards... three of the best big man prospects in basketball.  And then watch as every team in the league starts offering overpays to land one of the phenom centers to build their franchise around. Why bother trading any of them right now?   Points guards are a dime a dozen in this league.  Legit bigs?... rare. 

Someone will be willing to give up a star at a different position.  Like I said in other threads, if you're Toronto, are you really going to pass up a shot at the next potential Tim Duncan by refusing to give up DeMar Derozan?  No.  If you're the Spurs and you strike out on Aldridge this summer, do you give some real thought into moving Kawhi Leonard for one of Philly's phenoms to carry Duncan's torch?  If you're the Cavs and LeBron's boyfriend decides to join the team... do you look at the makeup of your roster and decide, "you know what... as much as I love Kyrie Irving, we could really use a phenom big ... let's move Kyrie for Embiid/Noel/Okafor"... If you're the Bucks, do you look at the makeup of your team... three quality SF prospects (Middleton, Parker, Giannis) and decide, "you know what... as much as we love Giannis, we're a center away from being legit" and move one of them for one of Philly's bigs?  Philly can take their time with this.  I dont' see any scenario where they dump one of those guys for a package of middling draft picks + Marcus Smart.  That's a weak offer.

[saltlover]

So LarBird -- I still think the Celtics will win 48 or more games this year.  You willing to own up and take the pessimistic view officially?

[LarBrd33]

So LarBird -- I still think the Celtics will win 48 or more games this year.  You willing to own up and take the pessimistic view officially?

So you think the addition of another back-up point guard is going to improve us by 8 games?  I can see us winning 48 games if we add Love or Aldridge.  This team as currently constructed is unlikely to even win 40 again.  We overachieved.  It's not sustainable. 

[PhoSita]

Trying to trade for one of Philly's three top flight center prospects, at this point, is really all the hope I have.

Philly can't possibly try to give playing time to Noel, Embiid, and Okafor next year, right? 

I'm trying to talk myself into it being possible.  Drafting Rozier sure makes trading Smart and pieces to get Noel make more sense.

[Scintan]

Trying to trade for one of Philly's three top flight center prospects, at this point, is really all the hope I have.

Philly can't possibly try to give playing time to Noel, Embiid, and Okafor next year, right? 

I'm trying to talk myself into it being possible.  Drafting Rozier sure makes trading Smart and pieces to get Noel make more sense.

Philly needs small players.  Ainge has a million of them.  Ainge should Godfather the 76ers, as long as it doesn't involve the Brooklyn picks.

[saltlover]

So LarBird -- I still think the Celtics will win 48 or more games this year.  You willing to own up and take the pessimistic view officially?

So you think the addition of another back-up point guard is going to improve us by 8 games?  I can see us winning 48 games if we add Love or Aldridge.  This team as currently constructed is unlikely to even win 40 again.  We overachieved.  It's not sustainable.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.  You ready to put it on the record yet that we won't?  Or are you still going to hedge for free agency while being pessimistic and trashing our players in every thread?

[Scintan]

So LarBird -- I still think the Celtics will win 48 or more games this year.  You willing to own up and take the pessimistic view officially?

So you think the addition of another back-up point guard is going to improve us by 8 games?  I can see us winning 48 games if we add Love or Aldridge.  This team as currently constructed is unlikely to even win 40 again.  We overachieved.  It's not sustainable.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.  You ready to put it on the record yet that we won't?  Or are you still going to hedge for free agency while being pessimistic and trashing our players in every thread?

Rosters aren't finalized yet.  Why would anyone lock themselves in at this point, other than getting great odds from Vegas?

[LarBrd33]

So LarBird -- I still think the Celtics will win 48 or more games this year.  You willing to own up and take the pessimistic view officially?

So you think the addition of another back-up point guard is going to improve us by 8 games?  I can see us winning 48 games if we add Love or Aldridge.  This team as currently constructed is unlikely to even win 40 again.  We overachieved.  It's not sustainable.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.  You ready to put it on the record yet that we won't?  Or are you still going to hedge for free agency while being pessimistic and trashing our players in every thread?

Dude... I'm not making that bet... and here's why.  If this is our roster heading into next season, I might have to start taking anti-depressants.  I have to hope that we sign Kevin Love or Aldridge this summer.  Have to hope.   I'm not ready to live in a world where my hero (Danny Ainge) fails that blatantly.   Let's hope we never get to live in an alt-universe where this is the best we can do... because this team right now probably doesn't even crack 40 wins.

[cb8883]

Trade Banks 2.0 for a franchise center when healthy...that is a no brainer except for green teamers that can't see this yet.

[Who]

Not interested in trading for Embiid. Price is too high for someone who is such a high injury risk.

I'd rather stay well clear of him.

[Who]

If Embid's medicals were to clear him, of course you make that trade.  You get it done immediately, before the 76ers have a chance to change their minds.

At the 32 minute mark these dudes talk about going clubbing with Embiid on Saturday.  Sounds like he's fine:  http://www.barstoolsports.com/philadelphia/bs-sports-life-podcast-the-time-we-partied-with-joel-embiid-and-why-nerlens-noel-hates-my-existance/
 

If I'm Hinkie, I probably don't move anyone right now... especially for a bunch of mediocre unknowns from Boston.   Instead, I roll into next season with a 3-man big rotation of Noel, Embiid and Okafor.  It doesn't matter if it doesn't work, because the team is in for the long haul.    They can split the 96 minutes at PF/C and each play 32 minutes each.    See what you got with them.  See if one starts outperforming the others.   See if having Okafor vs Embiid in practice every day causes one to rise above the other (I think Embiid has a much higher ceiling, honestly).  See if Noel learns some post moves from the other two.  It's a heck of a luxury.  Hinkie will hold all the cards... three of the best big man prospects in basketball.  And then watch as every team in the league starts offering overpays to land one of the phenom centers to build their franchise around. Why bother trading any of them right now?   Points guards are a dime a dozen in this league.  Legit bigs?... rare.

Someone will be willing to give up a star at a different position.  Like I said in other threads, if you're Toronto, are you really going to pass up a shot at the next potential Tim Duncan by refusing to give up DeMar Derozan?  No.  If you're the Spurs and you strike out on Aldridge this summer, do you give some real thought into moving Kawhi Leonard for one of Philly's phenoms to carry Duncan's torch?  If you're the Cavs and LeBron's boyfriend decides to join the team... do you look at the makeup of your roster and decide, "you know what... as much as I love Kyrie Irving, we could really use a phenom big ... let's move Kyrie for Embiid/Noel/Okafor"... If you're the Bucks, do you look at the makeup of your team... three quality SF prospects (Middleton, Parker, Giannis) and decide, "you know what... as much as we love Giannis, we're a center away from being legit" and move one of them for one of Philly's bigs?  Philly can take their time with this. I dont' see any scenario where they dump one of those guys for a package of middling draft picks + Marcus Smart.  That's a weak offer.

Agreed - Smart is a weak cornerstone to build a trade around. Philly will get much better offers from elsewhere in the league than a package built around Marcus Smart.

Wild card are those future picks. How highly they are valued and how many of them are put on the table. If those future picks end up having enough value, I think the trade package is built around them and not Smart.

I like what Brooklyn did on draft night. I think they are going to be alright next year which would put a major dampener on the value of those future Nets picks. Which would be really bad news for Boston's trade hopes. The Celtics really need Brooklyn (or Memphis or Dallas) to blow up and bottom out to boost their trade coffers.