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Target: John Henson
« on: June 29, 2014, 09:49:19 AM »

Offline DraftSmart33

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On ESPN last night, it was reported that Kidd's antics in Brooklyn have made things confused in Milwaukee.  Their initial plan was to look for trade partners for OJ Mayo but with Kidd possible coming that plan is up in the air.  I think might be a good time to make a run at John Henson to cure our center issues.

Henson is 6'11, just 23, and among the leaders in low post defense.  You might think that isn't any way that the Bucks would move Henson, but I think its important to remember that they have committed lots of money to Larry Sanders (C), have still more money tide to Ersan Ellysova (PF), now have the Greek Freak (who just grew to '6'11) and Parker who I assume will get some time close to the basket at PF.  After all Melo played down low for Denver for his first several years and Jabari lived in the post for Duke.

I'm not sure what our offer might be but Henson would be a nice defensive pick up.  Thoughts?

Re: Target: John Henson
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2014, 09:57:13 AM »

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So let's get this straight, the Bucks have a ton of money tied up in Ilyasova and Sanders, two players that had mediocre 2013-14 campaigns at best... but they'll trade John Henson, the more productive guy on a dirt-cheap contract. Sure, let's do that.

The whole discussion about the viability of 220 lbs centers in the long run we already had some place else...
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Re: Target: John Henson
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2014, 10:02:27 AM »

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Yes! Yes! Yes! I've been pushing his name on this site on a bunch of different threads and I don't think the price would be very high. I would like to get him whether we get Love or just do a massive rebuild since he is still young at 23. I though something like Olynyk and a number 2? Maybe just a number 2? Maybe just Olynyk? The Bucks don't seem to value him very highly.

Re: Target: John Henson
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2014, 10:15:05 AM »

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So let's get this straight, the Bucks have a ton of money tied up in Ilyasova and Sanders, two players that had mediocre 2013-14 campaigns at best... but they'll trade John Henson, the more productive guy on a dirt-cheap contract. Sure, let's do that.

The whole discussion about the viability of 220 lbs centers in the long run we already had some place else...

I love the reaction.  This isn't some ridiculous thread about obtaining Melo and Love for Fab Melo and a bag of dog biscuits.  It was a simple player A fits a need for us and is it possible or realistic to try to attain him in the Bucks state of transition. 

Your right.  Henson makes very little but they also have a great deal of money tide up when he's ready to talk new contract.  At the same time Sanders is a better defensive player (although we all know they would rather move him).  Is this a player we offer a 1st round pick for?  This is a team who needs a point guard..is this a possible partner at the mid-season trade deadline if Rondo and Smart isn't working?

Just asking for thoughts...and I guess I have yours. 

Re: Target: John Henson
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2014, 10:24:53 AM »

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Good luck to them trying to trade Ilyasova at 7.9 million for two more years and Sanders at 11 million for four more years in a deal that brings back anything but more bad contracts.

Re: Target: John Henson
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2014, 10:31:01 AM »

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You'd have to have doughboy (Sully) guard the bulky guys and Henson play help and protect the rim.

Re: Target: John Henson
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2014, 10:41:26 AM »

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So let's get this straight, the Bucks have a ton of money tied up in Ilyasova and Sanders, two players that had mediocre 2013-14 campaigns at best... but they'll trade John Henson, the more productive guy on a dirt-cheap contract. Sure, let's do that.

The whole discussion about the viability of 220 lbs centers in the long run we already had some place else...

Henson was reportedly on the block a few weeks ago. This isn't idle speculation. The bucks were pretty open about his availability.

As I stated in that other thread.
Henson is a good fit with both sully and Oly. He covers their weaknesses and they cover his.

And as I previously stated j noah came into the league at aprox 220lbs, he's now 234lbs.
Are you saying Noah's not big enough to play center?

Henson just stopped growing, no reason to think he can't add 10-14lbs of mussel now that he's stopped stretching out.

Re: Target: John Henson
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2014, 10:59:07 AM »

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Both points are valid. The fact that Henson is not a bulky guy is concern if he gets pushed around by bigger guys. No arguing that.

However, unless you have a burly AND agile center, bulk is also a minus when defending pick and roll and rotating on defense.  Pick your poison. There are not very many true post up centers, so that is not that big a concern to me.

Hensons length and proven shot blocking, along with the ability to run the floor makes him a candidate if we can't get a  Gortat or sanders type. He is worth a shot on a young team.

KO may eventually be splitting time at center ( vs second units) and Henson alongside could work...especially when our option now is sully and Fav. 

Re: Target: John Henson
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2014, 11:07:50 AM »

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Found this article written on January 6th Interesting

"Why Is The Offense Worse When John Henson Is On The Floor?

John Henson confuses me. I think he confuses a lot people. First of all, his dominant hand is not actually his dominant hand. He looks smooth and skilled when operating as a southpaw, and anything he does with his right hand either doesn't work (he's a terrible at shooting jumpers and free throws) or looks mechanical and unnatural (his right-handed hook shots are downright ugly). Let's just call him a lefty and move on, okay?

The next issue is a bit more dicey. Larry Sanders and John Henson aren't a perfect pair, and for some people Sanders' elite defense might not look as attractive as Henson's presumed potential as a two-way player capable providing more value on offense. Larry has learned to avoid jumpers and limit his involvement to hand-offs, rolls, and crashing the offensive glass. Henson is trying to stretch his range and absorb more iso post looks. In fact, some of his penchant for hook shots may dig into his offensive rebound opportunities. So is Henson really a potential impact player on offense? I'm not sure.

The big problem for me is that post offense isn't a particularly efficient way for an offense to score. Henson has converted 25 of his 63 post opportunities (39.7%) this season and ranks 81st in the league at 0.72 points per possession, according to MySynergySports.com. That ppp mark is below the NBA average for post plays over the last two seasons (0.83 ppp), but the fundamental issue is that post play just isn't efficient -- at least on its own.

In theory, good post play will draw a second defender and open up valuable spot-up opportunities on the arc, ala prime Dwight Howard. The problem is that opponents aren't doubling Henson. They seem perfectly content with the eight-foot hook shots he hoists up, and John doesn't consistently have the vision or awareness to pass out of bad looks in time to get better chances for teammates. Why double a below-average post scorer when he will take a low-percentage shot that keeps him away from the offensive glass and limits his chances of getting fouled?

Here's the stat worth pondering: When Henson is on the floor the Bucks average 18.2 3PTA per contest; when he is on the bnech the average rises to 21.9 3PTA. For the entire roster, no other player's on-court team 3PTA average is lower, and no other player's off-court team 3PTA is higher. The theory of post play is not being put into practice.

Instead, the Bucks just look kind of old school and dumb. They've set a baseline as one of the worst offenses in the NBA, but the unit has been markedly worse when Henson is on the floor. If he's a two-way buiding block for a future contender, don't think it's too much to ask to have him improve the worst offense in the league.

But maybe the on/off stats in the chart are misleading. Maybe ezPM is wrong. Maybe the on/off stats from last year were misleading too. Maybe RAPM was wrong. Maybe there's a perfectly good excuse for all of this and it is reflected in his career-high personal numbers. All I know is that I'm not yet comfortable with assuming Henson brings a lot of value to an offense. Maybe he should be a garbage man and energy player on offense like Larry Sanders.

For all of his craftiness in the post and boundless length, he hasn't shot better than 50% from the field since high school. Should we be able to say that about a big man with his size and skill? As I've previously pointed out, his jumper appears to be broken and isn't likely to get better. He shot 18-81 (22.2%) beyond eight feet last season, and even amid his best shooting season -- he's on track to crack 50% shooting from the field this year and has a nifty 54.7% TS mark that's far better than anything from the previous four years -- Henson is still just 19-66 (28.7%) from outside eight feet." @StevevonHorn
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Re: Target: John Henson
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2014, 11:48:03 AM »

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I wouldn't care if Henson never scored or attempted to score on anything but putbacks and dunks off of switches as long as he rebounds and defends the rim.

Re: Target: John Henson
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2014, 10:52:34 AM »

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Henson was reportedly on the block a few weeks ago. This isn't idle speculation. The bucks were pretty open about his availability.
Reportedly, yes. And here is what the report says, verbatim:

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Sanders will be entering the first of a fully-guaranteed four-year, $44 million contract next season, making him virtually untradeable.

However, some team may be enticed to take on Sanders? issues and hefty contract if perhaps Ilyasova, Henson or Knight was part of a trade package.

http://journaltimes.com/sports/bucks/bucks-beat-it-s-time-to-play-let-s-make/article_06b15216-f9ce-11e3-9cda-001a4bcf887a.html
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