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Re: Avery Bradley wants to stay with the Celtics..
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2014, 01:36:14 PM »

Offline LooseCannon

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Assuming Wade is not really available, Bradley is probably the second- or third-best available shooting guard on the free agent market, depending on what position you think Gordon Hayward plays.  I'd question the talent evaluation skills of anyone who would prefer Evan Turner or Nick Young.  I believe he will be an improved shooter and scorer next season and would pay him accordingly, but I worry that a team that misses on Hayward or Lance Stephenson may be willing to overpay Bradley.

My initial offer would be three years for $14-18m, with the final year guaranteed for no more than $1m.  I would be willing to go four years.  An unguaranteed final season is better than a player or team option in terms of turning him into a possible future trade asset.  I would give more money per year to have a final unguaranteed season instead of a player/team option.
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Re: Avery Bradley wants to stay with the Celtics..
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2014, 01:56:06 PM »

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Yeah, i think Bradley is going to have a lot of interested teams this offseason. Half of the teams have at least 10 million in cap space, many others still have the full MLE.

As LooseCannon said, there aren't many top free agent shooting guards on the market. I consider Hayward a small forward, and i rank the 2 guards as follows:

1. Wade - staying in Miami most likely
2. Bledsoe - combo guard staying in Phoenix most likely
3. Stephenson - staying in Indiana most likely
4. Bradley - staying in Boston most likely

If a team can't pry one of those 4, they are looking at Stuckey, Nick Young, Alan Anderson, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, etc.

All this being said, i would not pay Bradley 6-8 million per year. He just isn't that good. In terms of moving the needle, how different is it to have Bradley vs Redick vs Shumpert vs Danny Green vs Randy Foye, etc? There is a big glut of below average starting shooting guards in the NBA that are roughly equal to each other.

I think all those names are worth 5 million per year at the most.

On the flip side there are a ton of interesting small forwards available, that should be targeted by most of the other teams.

Re: Avery Bradley wants to stay with the Celtics..
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2014, 11:40:59 AM »

Offline michael 26

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Avery should be signed to a three year deal and no more. He is a great player who still has much potential. But the Celtics should be cautious because of his knee problems, so they shouldn't sign him for too many years.

Re: Avery Bradley wants to stay with the Celtics..
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2014, 11:58:07 AM »

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    And while no one knows how the Celtics and their rebuilding efforts will play out, Bradley reiterated to CSNNE.com that he wants to be part of it.

    ?Of course this is where I want to be,? Bradley told CSNNE.com in a phone interview on Thursday. ?I?ve been in Boston for four years and I love it; I love the fans, the front office. I definitely want to be back.?

    There?s no mistaking Bradley?s loyalty to the Celtics franchise and this city. That?s why he?ll have multiple basketball camps in Boston this summer for the first time.

    But Bradley has seen how business often trumps loyalty in the NBA.

Would offer him a 3/12 contract, with the last year being a player or team option.

I like Bradley, and actually would like him to stay. What does anyone else think?

Does anyone see Bradley as our future two if he can remain healthy?

I do worry about his health but I am a big fan of his demeanor and think his offense really came around this year.  I wish he could handle and pass better but maybe that will come.

Anyways, would definitely take him at 3 yrs 12 million.  I'm worried someone will push it up past that number.  I could see more too, but like I say, I have injury concerns and there are limits.
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Re: Avery Bradley wants to stay with the Celtics..
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2014, 01:57:45 PM »

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I would compare it a little to the Tony Allen thing if Tony was always hurt.  He should get paid like he's a pretty decent player who plays 60 games a year, with incentives for if he plays more. But if he wants to be paid like he's a perfectly healthy guy absolutely not.  I wouldn't say he's Bynum or Oden but he's at least a third of that.

Re: Avery Bradley wants to stay with the Celtics..
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2014, 06:26:59 AM »

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Avery is a nice role player, but that's all he is.  He is eminently replaceable, and a rebuilding team shouldn't extend too far in order to keep or acquire him.

For the right offer, I think so. Hes a great defender, and can shoot the mid range/3pt decently enough. He is what you said he is, a role player. I see Bradley as a 3 and D type of guy, but can't really be versatile enough to guard the wing position neither.

Would you keep Avery Bradley for the right price, and how much is that?

Less than 4 years, less than $5 million per.

Matt Barnes got 3 years, about $3.3 mil a year.
Jared Dudley got 3 years, $4.2 mil a year.
JJ Redick got 4 years, nearly $7 mil a year.

Is Bradley worth more than Redick?  Probably not but some folks clearly have no idea what even mid-level NBA players get in the market.

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JJ Reddick is a terrible defender who doesn't really score any more than Bradley does. es Reddick is a better shooter than Bradley, but Bradley's far superior defense makes up for that, as does his superior upside (due to his age and athleticism). 

I think if Bradley didn't have the injury concerns he'd get around $7M - $8M a year without breaking a sweat. If thee's anything that holds him back it's going to be his injury history, which might work to Boston's benefit and limit the offers to $5M-$6M a year. 

I would be absolutely shocked if any team gets Bradley for under $5M/year.  Boston had trouble getting Courtney Lee for that price, and Bradley last season was far better  offensively than Lee (career average of about 12 points per 36 minutes) has ever been, while he's also a superior defender and has significantly higher upside.

Basically $5M a year is how much you typically pay a SG who is playing at Bradley's level, but is 27-28 years of age and has no percieved potential to improve any furher.  People here are forgetting the fact that Bradley is only 24, and last year was pretty much a breakout year for him.  Teams are going to be looking at him not just for who he is now, but for who he has the potential to become.  He averaged 17/4/1.5 (per 36) last season.  If he makes even a modest improvement going in to next season he could be an 18/5/2 player with elite defensive skills - and that right there would be an $8-$10M guy.   

If not for the injury issues I would have no hessitation offering Bradley a $7M a year deal.  Maybe even $8M.  He's a young, hard working kid with a good attitude and that is a valuable asset on a team that's likely to spend the next couple of years rebuilding with young talent.  Factor in his injury and that would make me a bit more hessitant to offer a long term deal at high cost.  I'd be hessitant to go $7M.  I would offer $6 million and hope that he takes it, then he's ona low enough contract that if he does continue to run in to injury issues, you can trade him without too much trouble.  If he will not bite on $6M and insists on $7M then I'd have to give it some long, hard thought.  It would be risky to match it, but at the same time it would be hard to let him go - after all there is no other free agent out there who could be an adquate replacement fo less than $7M a year, and who fits a rebuilding team. 

Re: Avery Bradley wants to stay with the Celtics..
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2014, 07:06:03 AM »

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Avery is hurt too much to help the Celtics in the long run.   You need guys that won't break down so much.  That puts more pressure on the rest of the team to make up for his issues.

Not a big fan of his game as reinvented , especially at the kinda of money his agent is trying to get him.

Re: Avery Bradley wants to stay with the Celtics..
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2014, 07:11:39 AM »

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Avery is a nice role player, but that's all he is.  He is eminently replaceable, and a rebuilding team shouldn't extend too far in order to keep or acquire him.

agreed he is definitely expendable.
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Re: Avery Bradley wants to stay with the Celtics..
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2014, 07:12:30 AM »

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Avery is hurt too much to help the Celtics in the long run.   You need guys that won't break down so much.  That puts more pressure on the rest of the team to make up for his issues.

Not a big fan of his game as reinvented , especially at the kinda of money his agent is trying to get him.

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