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Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2014, 11:44:51 AM »

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Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #76 on: February 04, 2014, 12:31:11 PM »

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Felton's built like a penguin, he just uses his broad shoulders to to create space on smaller guards like Bradley and waddles to the rim/paint.

But really it was just Bradley playing poorly, his offense was non-existent and he was frustrated with trying to bring up the ball and dealing with the Knicks pressure offensively.

Because overall Felton hasn't done much against Bradley except for that playoff series. In the regular season he only has one decent game when both were rotation players.

Again, I'll stand by my breakdown.  Take away his abnormal 4-9 3PT shooting in game 4 and Felton didn't really produce much off Bradley.  I don't think Bradley (or the C's in general) played badly on defense overall in that series.

They lost it on the other end of the court.

The C's got beat because too many of them (Pierce & Bradley in particular) fell into just awful shooting slumps and turned the ball over way too much.

Rondo probably would have made a huge difference with the latter.

I won't even credit the Knick's defense as being all that much of a factor in that.  The fact is, we got a ton of ridiculously good looks at the basket that we simply missed.   Gawd, the number of missed layups in that series was just sick.   Go back and read the play-by-play for the start of the Game 3 loss.  Stomache turning.

The C's lost that series all by themselves with atrocious shooting and sloppy play.
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Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #77 on: February 04, 2014, 12:49:19 PM »

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Again, I'll stand by my breakdown.  Take away his abnormal 4-9 3PT shooting in game 4 and Felton didn't really produce much off Bradley.  I don't think Bradley (or the C's in general) played badly on defense overall in that series.
Felton averaged more than 17 points on 47% shooting over 6 games in that series. He also posted an overall +51 rating.

To give you an idea how his contribution was spread, he had (on separate occasions) two 20-point games, one 10-assist game, and another game in which he shot more than .500 from the floor, indicating he played well above his usual self for most of the series.

Let me remind you, that's Raymond Felton, a guy who's good for 13 points on 41% shooting in 34 career mpg, and who's shooting 40% from the floor this season.
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Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #78 on: February 04, 2014, 01:05:25 PM »

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Again, I'll stand by my breakdown.  Take away his abnormal 4-9 3PT shooting in game 4 and Felton didn't really produce much off Bradley.  I don't think Bradley (or the C's in general) played badly on defense overall in that series.
Felton averaged more than 18 points on close to .500 shooting over 5 games in that series.

Even if we take away his two best games for no apparent reason whatsoever, he still averaged 15 points on 46% shooting in the other three.

Let me remind you, that's Raymond Felton, a guy who's good for 13 points on 41% shooting in 34 career mpg, and who's shooting 40% from the floor this season.

Again, from watching the actual games, what I said is true.   Game 5 AB wasn't even guarding Felton that much.

And, ultimately, per-game numbers never particularly indicative of how well a player v player matchup worked.

Paul George scored 27 against the C's in the Pacer's win last November.  Was that because Jeff Green didn't defend him well?  Nope.  He scored most of those in the second half, including 14 in the 4th - when Bass was covering him because Stevens put Green on West (who was easting up Bass earlier in the game).  George struggled against Green in the first half of that game.

Even looking at whole-game numbers, as Fafnir points out, in most of their head-to-head appearances against each other, Felton has not had a lot of success in games Bradley and he have both logged rotation minutes.    As you and I and others have noted - Felton is a poor shooter.  He got hot from outside in one of the games.  He had some success switching on Pierce in another.  In pretty much the majority of their games against each other, Felton has looked lame.

So I would hardly consider any of this (Felton) to be indicative of some systematic defensive issue for Bradley.

You seem to be reaching here.
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Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #79 on: February 04, 2014, 01:21:25 PM »

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And, ultimately, per-game numbers never particularly indicative of how well a player v player matchup worked.
Ultimately, when you refuse to acknowledge that your supposedly star defensive guard dropped the ball for an entire series, no numbers will work for you.

And the fact that he couldn't prevent the switch or take away the long ball is, in fact, dropping the ball.

Also, you seem to ignore the fact that this was more than a two-game fluke situation, since Felton contributed a lot more and more efficiently than expected in 4 out of those 6 games.
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Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #80 on: February 04, 2014, 02:35:03 PM »

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And, ultimately, per-game numbers never particularly indicative of how well a player v player matchup worked.
Ultimately, when you refuse to acknowledge that your supposedly star defensive guard dropped the ball for an entire series, no numbers will work for you.

And the fact that he couldn't prevent the switch or take away the long ball is, in fact, dropping the ball.

Also, you seem to ignore the fact that this was more than a two-game fluke situation, since Felton contributed a lot more and more efficiently than expected in 4 out of those 6 games.

  I don't think that series was at all indicative of his overall defense throughout his career. He didn't look to be moving around all that well. I'd guess he was playing through some undisclosed nagging injury, kind of like Ray in 2009 when everyone was talking about Reddick shutting him down and Doc mentioning later on that he was playing with a bad hamstring.

Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #81 on: February 04, 2014, 02:44:41 PM »

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And, ultimately, per-game numbers never particularly indicative of how well a player v player matchup worked.
Ultimately, when you refuse to acknowledge that your supposedly star defensive guard dropped the ball for an entire series, no numbers will work for you.

And the fact that he couldn't prevent the switch or take away the long ball is, in fact, dropping the ball.

Also, you seem to ignore the fact that this was more than a two-game fluke situation, since Felton contributed a lot more and more efficiently than expected in 4 out of those 6 games.

  I don't think that series was at all indicative of his overall defense throughout his career. He didn't look to be moving around all that well. I'd guess he was playing through some undisclosed nagging injury, kind of like Ray in 2009 when everyone was talking about Reddick shutting him down and Doc mentioning later on that he was playing with a bad hamstring.
I am pretty sure I remember reading that Bradley was playing with a stomach flu during the beginning of that playoff playoff series and it dehydrated him effecting his play.

Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #82 on: February 04, 2014, 03:16:03 PM »

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And, ultimately, per-game numbers never particularly indicative of how well a player v player matchup worked.
Ultimately, when you refuse to acknowledge that your supposedly star defensive guard dropped the ball for an entire series, no numbers will work for you.

And the fact that he couldn't prevent the switch or take away the long ball is, in fact, dropping the ball.

Also, you seem to ignore the fact that this was more than a two-game fluke situation, since Felton contributed a lot more and more efficiently than expected in 4 out of those 6 games.

Those two are the two that Felton scored the most points in - which one would think might be most representative of 'killing' someone on offense.   Yet, of course, those were also the two games the Knicks lost.

And you seem to ignore that they have met in more games than just that series. Ignoring their first game, when Felton was in Denver and Avery only played 4 minutes (Felton played almost 28 minutes, scoring 4 points, 6 assists), they have had 4 regular season meetings in which they have both played rotation minutes and thus have been on the floor together a significant amount of the time. 

In those 4 games, Felton has scored more than 8 points just once.  He has delivered no more than 4 assists in any of those games.   He posted 0 points and 2 assists in the last game they met (last December).   His one good game, scoring 18 almost a year ago, March, was, again, the product of having an unusually good game from outside the arc (3 of 6).

Again, as I said, whole-game numbers aren't necessarily particularly revealing of how well a single player-v-player matchup worked out.  But if Felton has some sort of advantage that exploits a systematic weakness in Bradley's game, where is it?

P&R defense is a team game, btw.

And finally, just because one player scores a lot of points in a game is not really indicative of whether a team succeeded offensively or not.   NY ended up shooting a lowsy 46.2% eFG% for the series - actually lower than the C's did (46.3%).    Felton was, for his part, more efficient than most on his team, at 50.0% eFG%. 

But while that is a solid performance, that's nothing to get uber excited about.   And as a relative share of NY's offense, while it was important, it paled in importance to shutting Anthony down.  Felton took 96 FGA in that series, second most on that team.  But Anthony took 160 FGA!   

So, as a team, holding Anthony to 40.9 eFG% was simply a far more important defensive goal as a team.   We also held their third most prolific shooter (Smith) to 44.5% eFG%.  And that's why, overall, NYK did not exactly run the C's over with their offense.

We didn't lose that series because Felton shot 50% eFG.   We didn't lose it because of our defense.

We lost because Avery and Pierce shot 43% and 42% (again, eFG), respectively.   And while neither took anywhere near the number of shots that 'Melo did, they combined for 148 FGA.   Sprinkle in Jordan Crawford shooting a horrid 37% eFG on his 23 attempts, and that (171 shots at 41.5% eFG) is just way too much lousy shooting to overcome. 

(Everybody else who took more than 10 FGA actually shot just fine, from 48.3% for Bass to 58.3% for Terry.  But those two plus KG & Green only took a total of 228 FGA altogether).
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Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #83 on: February 04, 2014, 03:16:58 PM »

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Letting Chris Johnson escape would be one of Danny s worst mistake this season .

Cheapy guy that can play ball ....I'm not feeling Danny's logic on this one

dA is missing the boat.

Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #84 on: February 04, 2014, 03:34:37 PM »

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Letting Chris Johnson escape would be one of Danny s worst mistake this season .

Cheapy guy that can play ball ....I'm not feeling Danny's logic on this one

dA is missing the boat.

It's all about roster spots.  If DA wants to trade Hump for a pick, for example, he might have to take 2-3 players in return.  By rule, you have to have room on your roster to take those players, even if you're just going to waive them the next day.

If Johnson doesn't get a contract for the rest of the year, it's a pretty good sign that Danny thinks he has a trade lined up.  And if there's an open roster spot after the deadline, and Johnson hasn't signed with someone else, you can bet he's getting a multi-year deal from the C's the next day.

Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #85 on: February 04, 2014, 03:55:46 PM »

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I have no idea where kozlodoev is getting his idea that Rondo and Bradley don't fit each other. They're perfect for each other. I remember 2011-2012 stretch where the team posted some of the best defensive numbers in the league with the Bradley Rondo backcourt. They also really improved the offense.
Forgive me if I refuse to hang my hat on a stretch of 15 or so games where Bradley shot a completely unsustainable .500+ on three-pointers.

So your criticism stems from the fact that the coach wants to see those two playing together in a larger sample size?  *scratches head*  Sounds like he's just doing his job to me.

Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2014, 03:58:38 PM »

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Letting Chris Johnson escape would be one of Danny s worst mistake this season .

Cheapy guy that can play ball ....I'm not feeling Danny's logic on this one

dA is missing the boat.
Meh...I've seen the same thing said about Shav Randolph, Terrence Williams, Jordan Crawford, DJ White and a host of other borderline NBA players.

You can find players like Johnson just about anywhere.

Re: Stevens: Monitoring Rondo/Bradley duo "huge, huge priority for me"
« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2014, 04:00:19 PM »

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Letting Chris Johnson escape would be one of Danny s worst mistake this season .

Cheapy guy that can play ball ....I'm not feeling Danny's logic on this one

dA is missing the boat.
Meh...I've seen the same thing said about Shav Randolph, Terrence Williams, Jordan Crawford, DJ White and a host of other borderline NBA players.

You can find players like Johnson just about anywhere.

Jordan Crawford lol
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