If rondo comes back as rondo, do we trade him?

[BballTim]

You can't take the trades together because they weren't made together.  Ainge had no idea what if anything of value he would have been able to get for Crawford when he gave up a draft pick to unload Lee.

If Ainge has no idea of the trade value of his players, then he shouldn't be a GM.

Pretty much.

Exactly. You really think no conversations were had about Crawford with other teams prior to the lee trade? NBA GM's are just flying by the seat of their pants?
If you honestly believe there had never been a phone call made about Crawford prior to Lee, that Ainge had zero sense of his value, that entry move is made in a vacuum and that all moves are unrelated, well, I got a bridge to sell you.

Well it is apparent that it had to be a 3 team trade (I mean the Heat would rather have Toney Douglas than Crawford and Brooks) and then all he could get was a conditional first round pick that will likely be two seconds and a second rounder and had to take on 4 million in salary next year.  Some value Crawford has.

  He probably didn't have any better offers for Crawford and, according to whoever was analyzing the deal during the last game, they wanted to get rid of him before they benched him for Rondo. But he probably had to unload Lee's future money to take on Anthony's. It's true the deals were separate but you don't know whether or not Danny was discussing the Crawford deal before he made the Lee deal.

  In any case, between the two deals, Danny saved $7M in salary over the next few years, gained either a 1st or two 2nds and got  rid of a potential headache in Crawford. None of that points to Danny deciding that he's not going to try to add to his current core.

Well said. What I should have said, just more civil and less aghast. the inanity sometimes...
 
Reddick wasn't worth a first, no one is teaching firsts these days, unless it is for a big time player (or your trading with the knicks). The Celtics gave up an injured barbosa and Collins for Crawford who is now two our three draft picks. That's pretty good.

And the point is you originally said ainge must have had no idea what he could potentially get for Crawford which I'm glad to see you've backed of from cause that is crazy talk.

What I'm saying is Crawford and Brooks combined have the value of Toney Douglas (afterall that is all Golden State gave up for them).  Ainge was able to get some 2nd's because he took on the salary of Joel Anthony who Miami was looking to unload to free up some space next summer.  Crawford and Brooks thus had no value at all.  Ainge gave up a 2nd to move Lee.  If Ainge thought there was any semblance of a core in place he doesn't take on the salary of Anthony for a couple 2nd round picks.  He just keeps and lets Crawford and Brooks expire and get that extra space next summer (now without other significant moves Boston has 8-10 million in space rather than 12-14 million).  Ainge knows he is at least 2 years away, which is why he took on Anthony for some second round picks.  And since he knows he is at least 2 years away (without major trades) it means he doesn't think there is a core worth building around (or at least not enough of one).  I firmly believe Ainge loves Rondo and Sullinger, but that doesn't mean he won't trade them as they are the best player assets on the team and are by a wide margin.  No one will give up anything of value for anyone else on the roster.  Green is vastly over paid.  Bradley is an incredibly flawed player that is expiring.  Olynyk is a dime a dozen big man.  And no one else is even worth mentioning.  This team is a very long way away from competing and you just don't say that if there is a core in place.  There just is not.

  You've put forth trades where the team becomes competitive fairly quickly, so it's a little late to claim that the team's a very long way from competing. Notice you qualified your post with "without major trades"? Who's to say they won't happen? It's also worth mentioning that your evaluations of the players are overly negative. There are ongoing threads about Bradley's next contract based on some other GM claiming he'll get a significant contract. How does that happen if he has no value at all? And, as I've mentioned, the net result of the Lee/Crawford deals added assets to the team and cut our future salary obligations. That doesn't at all mean that Danny doesn't want to add to the current core.

[bostonsportsfan]

Rondo is our best player you do not get better by trading your best player Rondo Stays

[Evantime34]

As always, we trade him if we get value worth more than him, if not we keep him.

Check out my post on Rondo's return:
http://www.thepickandpop.com/2014/01/17/rajon-rondo-the-return/

[Moranis]

You can't take the trades together because they weren't made together.  Ainge had no idea what if anything of value he would have been able to get for Crawford when he gave up a draft pick to unload Lee.

If Ainge has no idea of the trade value of his players, then he shouldn't be a GM.

Pretty much.

Exactly. You really think no conversations were had about Crawford with other teams prior to the lee trade? NBA GM's are just flying by the seat of their pants?
If you honestly believe there had never been a phone call made about Crawford prior to Lee, that Ainge had zero sense of his value, that entry move is made in a vacuum and that all moves are unrelated, well, I got a bridge to sell you.

Well it is apparent that it had to be a 3 team trade (I mean the Heat would rather have Toney Douglas than Crawford and Brooks) and then all he could get was a conditional first round pick that will likely be two seconds and a second rounder and had to take on 4 million in salary next year.  Some value Crawford has.

  He probably didn't have any better offers for Crawford and, according to whoever was analyzing the deal during the last game, they wanted to get rid of him before they benched him for Rondo. But he probably had to unload Lee's future money to take on Anthony's. It's true the deals were separate but you don't know whether or not Danny was discussing the Crawford deal before he made the Lee deal.

  In any case, between the two deals, Danny saved $7M in salary over the next few years, gained either a 1st or two 2nds and got  rid of a potential headache in Crawford. None of that points to Danny deciding that he's not going to try to add to his current core.

Well said. What I should have said, just more civil and less aghast. the inanity sometimes...
 
Reddick wasn't worth a first, no one is teaching firsts these days, unless it is for a big time player (or your trading with the knicks). The Celtics gave up an injured barbosa and Collins for Crawford who is now two our three draft picks. That's pretty good.

And the point is you originally said ainge must have had no idea what he could potentially get for Crawford which I'm glad to see you've backed of from cause that is crazy talk.

What I'm saying is Crawford and Brooks combined have the value of Toney Douglas (afterall that is all Golden State gave up for them).  Ainge was able to get some 2nd's because he took on the salary of Joel Anthony who Miami was looking to unload to free up some space next summer.  Crawford and Brooks thus had no value at all.  Ainge gave up a 2nd to move Lee.  If Ainge thought there was any semblance of a core in place he doesn't take on the salary of Anthony for a couple 2nd round picks.  He just keeps and lets Crawford and Brooks expire and get that extra space next summer (now without other significant moves Boston has 8-10 million in space rather than 12-14 million).  Ainge knows he is at least 2 years away, which is why he took on Anthony for some second round picks.  And since he knows he is at least 2 years away (without major trades) it means he doesn't think there is a core worth building around (or at least not enough of one).  I firmly believe Ainge loves Rondo and Sullinger, but that doesn't mean he won't trade them as they are the best player assets on the team and are by a wide margin.  No one will give up anything of value for anyone else on the roster.  Green is vastly over paid.  Bradley is an incredibly flawed player that is expiring.  Olynyk is a dime a dozen big man.  And no one else is even worth mentioning.  This team is a very long way away from competing and you just don't say that if there is a core in place.  There just is not.

  You've put forth trades where the team becomes competitive fairly quickly, so it's a little late to claim that the team's a very long way from competing. Notice you qualified your post with "without major trades"? Who's to say they won't happen? It's also worth mentioning that your evaluations of the players are overly negative. There are ongoing threads about Bradley's next contract based on some other GM claiming he'll get a significant contract. How does that happen if he has no value at all? And, as I've mentioned, the net result of the Lee/Crawford deals added assets to the team and cut our future salary obligations. That doesn't at all mean that Danny doesn't want to add to the current core.

Of course Boston could get competitive quickly with MAJOR trades utilizing mostly the wealth of draft picks Boston has upcoming.  That is the point.  If there was at least a decent core in place, you wouldn't need major trades to get competitive, you would just need minor ones. 

[BballTim]

You can't take the trades together because they weren't made together.  Ainge had no idea what if anything of value he would have been able to get for Crawford when he gave up a draft pick to unload Lee.

If Ainge has no idea of the trade value of his players, then he shouldn't be a GM.

Pretty much.

Exactly. You really think no conversations were had about Crawford with other teams prior to the lee trade? NBA GM's are just flying by the seat of their pants?
If you honestly believe there had never been a phone call made about Crawford prior to Lee, that Ainge had zero sense of his value, that entry move is made in a vacuum and that all moves are unrelated, well, I got a bridge to sell you.

Well it is apparent that it had to be a 3 team trade (I mean the Heat would rather have Toney Douglas than Crawford and Brooks) and then all he could get was a conditional first round pick that will likely be two seconds and a second rounder and had to take on 4 million in salary next year.  Some value Crawford has.

  He probably didn't have any better offers for Crawford and, according to whoever was analyzing the deal during the last game, they wanted to get rid of him before they benched him for Rondo. But he probably had to unload Lee's future money to take on Anthony's. It's true the deals were separate but you don't know whether or not Danny was discussing the Crawford deal before he made the Lee deal.

  In any case, between the two deals, Danny saved $7M in salary over the next few years, gained either a 1st or two 2nds and got  rid of a potential headache in Crawford. None of that points to Danny deciding that he's not going to try to add to his current core.

Well said. What I should have said, just more civil and less aghast. the inanity sometimes...
 
Reddick wasn't worth a first, no one is teaching firsts these days, unless it is for a big time player (or your trading with the knicks). The Celtics gave up an injured barbosa and Collins for Crawford who is now two our three draft picks. That's pretty good.

And the point is you originally said ainge must have had no idea what he could potentially get for Crawford which I'm glad to see you've backed of from cause that is crazy talk.

What I'm saying is Crawford and Brooks combined have the value of Toney Douglas (afterall that is all Golden State gave up for them).  Ainge was able to get some 2nd's because he took on the salary of Joel Anthony who Miami was looking to unload to free up some space next summer.  Crawford and Brooks thus had no value at all.  Ainge gave up a 2nd to move Lee.  If Ainge thought there was any semblance of a core in place he doesn't take on the salary of Anthony for a couple 2nd round picks.  He just keeps and lets Crawford and Brooks expire and get that extra space next summer (now without other significant moves Boston has 8-10 million in space rather than 12-14 million).  Ainge knows he is at least 2 years away, which is why he took on Anthony for some second round picks.  And since he knows he is at least 2 years away (without major trades) it means he doesn't think there is a core worth building around (or at least not enough of one).  I firmly believe Ainge loves Rondo and Sullinger, but that doesn't mean he won't trade them as they are the best player assets on the team and are by a wide margin.  No one will give up anything of value for anyone else on the roster.  Green is vastly over paid.  Bradley is an incredibly flawed player that is expiring.  Olynyk is a dime a dozen big man.  And no one else is even worth mentioning.  This team is a very long way away from competing and you just don't say that if there is a core in place.  There just is not.

  You've put forth trades where the team becomes competitive fairly quickly, so it's a little late to claim that the team's a very long way from competing. Notice you qualified your post with "without major trades"? Who's to say they won't happen? It's also worth mentioning that your evaluations of the players are overly negative. There are ongoing threads about Bradley's next contract based on some other GM claiming he'll get a significant contract. How does that happen if he has no value at all? And, as I've mentioned, the net result of the Lee/Crawford deals added assets to the team and cut our future salary obligations. That doesn't at all mean that Danny doesn't want to add to the current core.

Of course Boston could get competitive quickly with MAJOR trades utilizing mostly the wealth of draft picks Boston has upcoming.  That is the point.  If there was at least a decent core in place, you wouldn't need major trades to get competitive, you would just need minor ones.

  If you go back to the beginning of the discussion you claimed that the Lee/Crawford trades were evidence that Danny has no intention of building around Rondo. What you're arguing now (that we don't have a full competitive core in place) is completely different. Whether we keep Rondo or not we'll have to make MAJOR moves to become contenders again.

[CoachBo]

No.

We only trade him if he comes back as Sebustian Tellfailure.