Should we pursue or trade for Dion?

[D.o.s.]

He doesn't seem to be a better shooter than Avery Bradley.  He's not a better defender.  (Does being part of the same Syracuse zone defense as Fab Melo count against him?)  In fact, lack of effort on defense seems to be a common complaint about him.  If that is a problem, I can see him behind Marshon Brooks on the depth chart.

Waiters defense has improved. His ability to score the mid range basket is paul pierce like. Lots of crafty ways to get it done.

The difference between him and brooks is that, he knows when to pass when double teamed. Higher iq

I do believe the irving complaint. The guy is overrated

He's probably overrated (especially if the issue is defense), but one hopes Dion Waiters understands, or has someone clue him in, why Kyrie gets a pass on D and he (Waiters) does not.

[Tr1boy]

He doesn't seem to be a better shooter than Avery Bradley.  He's not a better defender.  (Does being part of the same Syracuse zone defense as Fab Melo count against him?)  In fact, lack of effort on defense seems to be a common complaint about him.  If that is a problem, I can see him behind Marshon Brooks on the depth chart.

Waiters defense has improved. His ability to score the mid range basket is paul pierce like. Lots of crafty ways to get it done.

The difference between him and brooks is that, he knows when to pass when double teamed. Higher iq

I do believe the irving complaint. The guy is overrated

He's probably overrated (especially if the issue is defense), but one hopes Dion Waiters understands, or has someone clue him in, why Kyrie gets a pass on D and he (Waiters) does not.

Yeah but its bs. Thats why i respect coaches like stevens and pops. You earn min on the court. Pops will scream at u no matter who u are

At least waiters is showing passion. And if he screws up , looks like the type that will be accountable for i

[D.o.s.]

On the flip side, complaining about other players receiving special treatment, even if it's valid, is energy and emphasis directed away from your own play and your own behavior.

Maybe he should channel his inner MJ and start trying to be better than Irving instead of punching Tristian Thompson (who, I suppose, has a punchable face).

[Jailan34]

I wouldn't mind a trade for dion, this is the time when this team should be experimenting with new players/lineups/ideas as winning isn't our primary concern.

However, I'm not sure what they'd want back in a trade, I wouldn't do AB for Waiters straight up, even though Waiters has a higher ceiling AB is the better player right now and is important if we want to package our picks and trade up in the draft.

I'm having a hard time coming up with a trade scenario that benefits both teams, but I doubt we trade for him anyway.

[Tr1boy]

On the flip side, complaining about other players receiving special treatment, even if it's valid, is energy and emphasis directed away from your own play and your own behavior.

Maybe he should channel his inner MJ and start trying to be better than Irving instead of punching Tristian Thompson (who, I suppose, has a punchable face).

It's an open team meeting. You speak up. Talk about your spouse/girlfriend issues at home etc.

In all seriousness, it should be an open book. To identify issues or trends, so the team can move fwd. 

I agree he shouldn't be singling out guys either, but maybe he has tried to speak to them personally and they don't care. 

For me Brown is also an idiot to let the situation come to this. You have a private meeting with Waiters and let him know that singling out people is wrong.  Maybe better to say, the team should be sharing the ball more and playing relentless defense.
 

[LooseCannon]

For me Brown is also an idiot to let the situation come to this. You have a private meeting with Waiters and let him know that singling out people is wrong.  Maybe better to say, the team should be sharing the ball more and playing relentless defense.

How does Brown keep Waiters from talking at what was reportedly a players-only meeting?

[Celtics18]

On the flip side, complaining about other players receiving special treatment, even if it's valid, is energy and emphasis directed away from your own play and your own behavior.

Maybe he should channel his inner MJ and start trying to be better than Irving instead of punching Tristian Thompson (who, I suppose, has a punchable face).

It's an open team meeting. You speak up. Talk about your spouse/girlfriend issues at home etc.

In all seriousness, it should be an open book. To identify issues or trends, so the team can move fwd. 

I agree he shouldn't be singling out guys either, but maybe he has tried to speak to them personally and they don't care. 

For me Brown is also an idiot to let the situation come to this. You have a private meeting with Waiters and let him know that singling out people is wrong.  Maybe better to say, the team should be sharing the ball more and playing relentless defense.

Is Dion Waiters in seventh grade?:  "Why do I have to play defense if Kyrie doesn't?"

[Tr1boy]

For me Brown is also an idiot to let the situation come to this. You have a private meeting with Waiters and let him know that singling out people is wrong.  Maybe better to say, the team should be sharing the ball more and playing relentless defense.

How does Brown keep Waiters from talking at what was reportedly a players-only meeting?

I forgot. But explain then how from the players only meeting, next thing you know Waiters is in Browns doghouse?

[Tr1boy]

On the flip side, complaining about other players receiving special treatment, even if it's valid, is energy and emphasis directed away from your own play and your own behavior.

Maybe he should channel his inner MJ and start trying to be better than Irving instead of punching Tristian Thompson (who, I suppose, has a punchable face).

It's an open team meeting. You speak up. Talk about your spouse/girlfriend issues at home etc.

In all seriousness, it should be an open book. To identify issues or trends, so the team can move fwd. 

I agree he shouldn't be singling out guys either, but maybe he has tried to speak to them personally and they don't care. 

For me Brown is also an idiot to let the situation come to this. You have a private meeting with Waiters and let him know that singling out people is wrong.  Maybe better to say, the team should be sharing the ball more and playing relentless defense.

Is Dion Waiters in seventh grade?:  "Why do I have to play defense if Kyrie doesn't?"

i doubt he said it like that.  Nobody knows what was said. The end message that Irving is getting a free pass on defense is true though. He is a horrific defender.

And his assist totals are below avg for a pg. So i can understand waiters frustration. He is tired of losing and he can't do nothing about it

[Boris Badenov]

More detail on Waiters' performance last year:

http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/6/13/4417764/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-dion-waiters-season-in-review

I dunno. There are a lot of red flags with this kid - number one, the team that knows him best apparently has decided to cut bait a year after drafting him.

[LooseCannon]

For me Brown is also an idiot to let the situation come to this. You have a private meeting with Waiters and let him know that singling out people is wrong.  Maybe better to say, the team should be sharing the ball more and playing relentless defense.

How does Brown keep Waiters from talking at what was reportedly a players-only meeting?

I forgot. But explain then how from the players only meeting, next thing you know Waiters is in Browns doghouse?

Well, he considered transferring from Syracuse after his freshman year because he was in the coach's dog house due to being out-of-shape, taking bad shots, and not playing defense.  I think he was already in Brown's dog house before the player meeting because of his defense.  He had already been benched for the second half of a game earlier this season.

Waiters last started on November 13.  He missed games on the 15th and 16th with an unspecified illness that has led some to speculate that he knew he was being benched or that it was some unannounced suspension.  The players-only meeting happened after that second game that he missed.  Waiters came off the bench in the Cavs next game on the 20th.

[Who]

Cavs denying they are shopping Waiters. Waiters denying he asked to be traded.

Cavaliers guard Dion Waiters said he had never asked the Cavs to trade him and he called ESPN reports of a three-hour meeting with Chris Grant ''nonsense.''

"I can't be in nobody's office no three hours,'' he said, laughing, before last night's game against the Miami Heat at The Q.

Cavs sources denied the ESPN report that the team was shopping Waiters but said it had received calls about him.

Asked if he wanted Waiters here, Brown said, "Yes. He gives us an explosive scorer off the bench. He's extremely versatile. He can handle the ball on pick and rolls. He can come off of pin downs. There are a lot of things he can do. He's still such a young player that he's got a tremendous upside. Defensively he's gotten better on a weekly basis. He can be an impact player in this league and for us for many years.''

Article says that Mike Brown took Waiters out of the starting lineup to facilitate ball movement.

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