3 team trade idea Celtics/Knicks/Bulls

[JBcat]

This works on the NBA trade machine.

Celtics receive Stoudemire incoming salary 21.7 mil 2yrs left

Knicks receive Wallace 10.1 mil 3 yrs, Boozer 15.3 mil 2 yrs

Bulls receive Humphries 12 mil 1 yr, Lee 5.3 mil 3 yrs  Shumpert 1.7m 2 yrs

Why for Celtics.  This should free up roughly 6 mil or so on next year's cap, so I think would give us more flexibility to use the trade exception if we want to (if we need to clear more room we can try trading Bass for an expiring somewhere).  Also frees up money for this year to sign a couple other guys to minimum contracts.  Lastly we have bundles of cap space in 2 years.

Why for Knicks.   Stoudamire is basicially dead weight at this point so Boozer will be a major coup for them.   To even things off they take on Wallace's toxic contract but he at least can still play a role, and have to trade Shumpert but still have Smith and Hardaway JR at SG.  This should make the Knicks much better for the next 2 years.

Why for Bulls.   It is a drop in talent at PF with now Gibson and Humphries, however it should free up roughly 8 million next offseason so they can keep Deng.  Shumpert and Lee can help hold the fort for guard depth until Rose comes back.   Maybe move Hinrich to PG, and Lee and Shumpert can help handle the ball as SGs.  Shumpert has played a little PG too I believe.  If Rose is back for the 2nd half of the season, you could try trading one your now surplus of guards for PF depth. 

Maybe one of these teams will have to throw in a draft pick (in the Knicks case earliest would be 2018 pick) if you think this needs to be evened out more.  The only issue I might see here is hesitation on the Bulls with the drop off in talent at PF.  Maybe the Knicks will have to throw in Kenyon Martin for PF depth for the Bulls, or you bring in a 4th team into this trade.   I like the framework of this deal for all 3 teams though. 

What do you think?

[aporel#18]

If the Bulls give us the Charlotte 2014 first rounder they own, I'd do it without a doubt. Otherwise, I don't think it's worth helping da Bulls and the Knuklebockers by taking Stat's corpse.

It's a nice way to combine the rumored Stat to Boston trade with a trade idea I like (Boozer + Charlotte pick for Hump+Lee). TP.

[gpap]

What about this?

Say Rondo returns sometime in the next month and shows he's completely healthy and plays really well, what about the Celts dealing Rondo, Green and Humphries to
Chicago for Luol Deng and….Derrick Rose?

Bulls look at Rose as a franchise player but figure they can no longer bank on him as their star because of his troubled knees and replace him with Rondo.

For the Celts, they take a huge but possibly rewarding gamble by dealing for Rose with the chance he comes back 100 percent after this injury and can be the team's franchise player.

In the meantime with Rose out, the Celt lose a lot of games, end up with a top 10 pick (hopefully) and come back next year with Derrick Rose, top 10 pick, Sully, Olynyk, Bradley and some cap space ( I think) from parting ways with Jeff Green as Deng will be expiring.

[JBcat]

If the Bulls give us the Charlotte 2014 first rounder they own, I'd do it without a doubt. Otherwise, I don't think it's worth helping da Bulls and the Knuklebockers by taking Stat's corpse.

It's a nice way to combine the rumored Stat to Boston trade with a trade idea I like (Boozer + Charlotte pick for Hump+Lee). TP.

Thanks.  If we can get that draft pick and/or the Knicks 2018 pick all the better. 

[Rondohara]

Very solid trade. We get rid of Wallace and Lee, so it's good for us and seems good for the others as well. If we get a pick from the Bulls it becomes a great deal for us.

[lefty12]

bulls will do something - to replace rose - but lee & shumpert don't fill play-making void.

also believe - ainge thinks - Wallace, Humphrey, lee et.al
have more value that flat out salary dump

expect some useful pieces in return - once the bad contracts (dead wood) are unloaded

[Kane3387]

I could see these teams doing something. I don't see the bulls taking back lee.

[connor]

I think the C's need something else coming back to them, otherwise there isn't enough incentive to help out the Bulls and Knicks.

Both those teams are doing their best not to go into panic mode right now and I don't see the benefit of helping them out by giving them rotational guys that can help them stabilize in exchange for a guy who is going to sit on our bench in a suit.

Chicago is getting a pretty solid return for Boozer, I doubt they'd surrender the Charlotte 2014 pick since that could be just outside the top 10, but if they'd give up their own I'd probably do it.

Chicago would probably be interested since they can cut a year off of Boozer's 15m deal and get Shumpert who has the most potential of all players involved. The Knicks could do it, but if they're bringing in Boozer they probably would want to offload Bargs.

[Smitty77]

I am amazed by the utter lack of appreciation for how Courtney Lee has played this year.  Do many of you realize that he has the 3rd highest efficiency rating (16.3) according to ESPN.com.  I would imagine that the Bulls would be very glad to GET Courtney if they could fit it in under their impending repeater tax woes.

Smitty77

[aporel#18]

I am amazed by the utter lack of appreciation for how Courtney Lee has played this year.  Do many of you realize that he has the 3rd highest efficiency rating (16.3) according to ESPN.com.  I would imagine that the Bulls would be very glad to GET Courtney if they could fit it in under their impending repeater tax woes.

Smitty77

Courtney's value is rebuilding quite well, like Bass'. That's why Chicago has to surrender the Charlotte pick to us. We are in no need to help them or the Knicks, so they have to entice Danny into this or any trade.

[LooseCannon]

I don't think Chicago is giving up that pick unless they receive a player who is or projects to be an above-average starter.

[aporel#18]

I don't think Chicago is giving up that pick unless they receive a player who is or projects to be an above-average starter.

Given the terrible level of the Eastern Conference, the Bobcats might be a playoff team, so the pick could be in the late teens. That's good value, but not that good. They could upgrade Hinrich to starting PG, and use Shump and Lee for good depth at the 2. Bulls fans are talking about using amnesty provision on Boozer, so they would be saving a lot of money, and that means something in the NBA.

[csfansince60s]

What about this?

Say Rondo returns sometime in the next month and shows he's completely healthy and plays really well, what about the Celts dealing Rondo, Green and Humphries to
Chicago for Luol Deng and….Derrick Rose?

Bulls look at Rose as a franchise player but figure they can no longer bank on him as their star because of his troubled knees and replace him with Rondo.

For the Celts, they take a huge but possibly rewarding gamble by dealing for Rose with the chance he comes back 100 percent after this injury and can be the team's franchise player.

In the meantime with Rose out, the Celt lose a lot of games, end up with a top 10 pick (hopefully) and come back next year with Derrick Rose, top 10 pick, Sully, Olynyk, Bradley and some cap space ( I think) from parting ways with Jeff Green as Deng will be expiring.

+1....I like this or some variation, thereof. For example:

Cs send: Rondo, Wallace, Bass and Lee

Bulls send: Rose, Deng, Mirotic, Teague, Snell, Charlotte's pick and a Chicago first from '14 or '15.

For the Bulls, Thibs and Rondo are reunited with some other players who can play D in Lee, Wallace and Bass which Thibs should like. Bulls get to compete this year as well as the next two, while Noah is still in his prime. Creates a little logjam at the 4 with Boozer, Bass and Gibson, although Gibson can play some 5.If the Bulls need more incentive, we'd take Boozer who has one more year instead of Deng's expiring.

For the Cs, IF Rose recovers, we get that franchise player that gpap describes above in Rose. Moderate risk, high reward. In addition, we get youngsters in Teague, Snell and Mirotic  as well as stockpiling assets with the draft choices.

Bulls compete now. We compete later.

[LooseCannon]

I don't think Chicago is giving up that pick unless they receive a player who is or projects to be an above-average starter.

Given the terrible level of the Eastern Conference, the Bobcats might be a playoff team, so the pick could be in the late teens. That's good value, but not that good. They could upgrade Hinrich to starting PG, and use Shump and Lee for good depth at the 2. Bulls fans are talking about using amnesty provision on Boozer, so they would be saving a lot of money, and that means something in the NBA.

The Bulls don't really have that many trade assets.  They are not going to waste that pick on filling out their bench.

[Rondohara]

I am amazed by the utter lack of appreciation for how Courtney Lee has played this year.  Do many of you realize that he has the 3rd highest efficiency rating (16.3) according to ESPN.com.

He is improving a little, and the better he plays the more likely for us to get a little higher value for him, but with his 3 years getting a little too much for a guy who isn't a starter or a 6th man, his contract will get in our way when assembling the future team in 14/15.

I also like that this isn't a panic trade, there are many fans in NY and CHI panicking already, but management won't risk any random panic move (while they can't afford to just sit around and do nothing). Bulls must cut salary to have some slim chance of going forward. Knicks doesn't really have much a chance going forward, but get better this next 2 years and closer to contending (not that they'll win  )