Jeff Green = Clutch

[mgent]

Jeff doesn't have a super aggressive mentality on offense.

Agree, nor does he on D.   If I have a problem with him it's that he let's the game come to him too much.

He didn't do that last night, he was making me cringe with how aggressive he was looking for 3s.  He attempted 8, his record with the Celtics, and at a much better percentage than the 3 times he did it in OKC.  Almost a tenth of our shots were Jeff Green 3s (career 35% shooter).  Admittedly, that's probably the last category we want Green being aggressive in, but at least it's something. 

We just have to accept that Green is otherworldly when he's feeling it, but he doesn't "feel it" often enough to play like that on a consistent nightly basis.  It might be a good thing that he's less aggressive on nights where he knows he can't hit those circus shots like he was vs the Heat.

  It seems like every other post about Jeff Green contains a "inconsistent" comment. I'd wager that if people here watched most of the 15-18 ppg scorers in the league as often as they watched Green they'd feel that those players were equally inconsistent, especially if the were told by others that the player they're looking at is inconsistent.

That's my point, Jeff Green is equal to other 15-18 ppg scorers and their consistency levels.  Some people think he could average 25 if he was simply more aggressive or tried harder.  I think it's slightly deeper than that.

[Snakehead]

Jeff doesn't have a super aggressive mentality on offense.

Agree, nor does he on D.   If I have a problem with him it's that he let's the game come to him too much.

He didn't do that last night, he was making me cringe with how aggressive he was looking for 3s.  He attempted 8, his record with the Celtics, and at a much better percentage than the 3 times he did it in OKC.  Almost a tenth of our shots were Jeff Green 3s (career 35% shooter).  Admittedly, that's probably the last category we want Green being aggressive in, but at least it's something. 

We just have to accept that Green is otherworldly when he's feeling it, but he doesn't "feel it" often enough to play like that on a consistent nightly basis.  It might be a good thing that he's less aggressive on nights where he knows he can't hit those circus shots like he was vs the Heat.

  It seems like every other post about Jeff Green contains a "inconsistent" comment. I'd wager that if people here watched most of the 15-18 ppg scorers in the league as often as they watched Green they'd feel that those players were equally inconsistent, especially if the were told by others that the player they're looking at is inconsistent.

TP.

People say he is "inconsistent" when he scores more than 20 in games.  And he always brings defense to the table.  Give credit where it is due.

[soap07]

Jeff doesn't have a super aggressive mentality on offense.

Agree, nor does he on D.   If I have a problem with him it's that he let's the game come to him too much.

He didn't do that last night, he was making me cringe with how aggressive he was looking for 3s.  He attempted 8, his record with the Celtics, and at a much better percentage than the 3 times he did it in OKC.  Almost a tenth of our shots were Jeff Green 3s (career 35% shooter).  Admittedly, that's probably the last category we want Green being aggressive in, but at least it's something. 

We just have to accept that Green is otherworldly when he's feeling it, but he doesn't "feel it" often enough to play like that on a consistent nightly basis.  It might be a good thing that he's less aggressive on nights where he knows he can't hit those circus shots like he was vs the Heat.

  It seems like every other post about Jeff Green contains a "inconsistent" comment. I'd wager that if people here watched most of the 15-18 ppg scorers in the league as often as they watched Green they'd feel that those players were equally inconsistent, especially if the were told by others that the player they're looking at is inconsistent.

You are absolutely right. The difference for Green is that he has the role, unfortunately, on this team to carry the scoring load of someone who can score 25, night in and night out, which he can't.

[manl_lui]

the way I see it, Jeff Green is maturing right before our eyes and I'm loving every bit of it. He is finally calling for the ball and being very aggressive with it

[BballTim]

Jeff doesn't have a super aggressive mentality on offense.

Agree, nor does he on D.   If I have a problem with him it's that he let's the game come to him too much.

He didn't do that last night, he was making me cringe with how aggressive he was looking for 3s.  He attempted 8, his record with the Celtics, and at a much better percentage than the 3 times he did it in OKC.  Almost a tenth of our shots were Jeff Green 3s (career 35% shooter).  Admittedly, that's probably the last category we want Green being aggressive in, but at least it's something. 

We just have to accept that Green is otherworldly when he's feeling it, but he doesn't "feel it" often enough to play like that on a consistent nightly basis.  It might be a good thing that he's less aggressive on nights where he knows he can't hit those circus shots like he was vs the Heat.

  It seems like every other post about Jeff Green contains a "inconsistent" comment. I'd wager that if people here watched most of the 15-18 ppg scorers in the league as often as they watched Green they'd feel that those players were equally inconsistent, especially if the were told by others that the player they're looking at is inconsistent.

You are absolutely right. The difference for Green is that he has the role, unfortunately, on this team to carry the scoring load of someone who can score 25, night in and night out, which he can't.

  I think the reality of the situation is that he doesn't really have that role on this team but people imagine that he does and judge his play from that viewpoint.

[footey]

 I really like Jeff Green as a role player. However, he lacks the ball handling skills requisite for greatness for a guy his size. Many say it is lack of aggressiveness that is holding him back.  Whenever he tries to get aggressive in the half court set, unless there is a huge hole that he can drive through, he inevitably turns it over, often being stripped of the ball. He is too old to expect any appreciably improvement in his handle. It is who he is, a nice role guy who will flash incredible athleticism and skill in the open floor, but is very limited in a half court set. 

[BballTim]

Jeff doesn't have a super aggressive mentality on offense.

Agree, nor does he on D.   If I have a problem with him it's that he let's the game come to him too much.

He didn't do that last night, he was making me cringe with how aggressive he was looking for 3s.  He attempted 8, his record with the Celtics, and at a much better percentage than the 3 times he did it in OKC.  Almost a tenth of our shots were Jeff Green 3s (career 35% shooter).  Admittedly, that's probably the last category we want Green being aggressive in, but at least it's something. 

We just have to accept that Green is otherworldly when he's feeling it, but he doesn't "feel it" often enough to play like that on a consistent nightly basis.  It might be a good thing that he's less aggressive on nights where he knows he can't hit those circus shots like he was vs the Heat.

  It seems like every other post about Jeff Green contains a "inconsistent" comment. I'd wager that if people here watched most of the 15-18 ppg scorers in the league as often as they watched Green they'd feel that those players were equally inconsistent, especially if the were told by others that the player they're looking at is inconsistent.

That's my point, Jeff Green is equal to other 15-18 ppg scorers and their consistency levels.  Some people think he could average 25 if he was simply more aggressive or tried harder.  I think it's slightly deeper than that.

  He could probably average a few more points than he does but he's not really a ball-dominant player so averaging 25 a game won't happen simply because he doesn't control the ball enough.

[mgent]

Jeff doesn't have a super aggressive mentality on offense.

Agree, nor does he on D.   If I have a problem with him it's that he let's the game come to him too much.

He didn't do that last night, he was making me cringe with how aggressive he was looking for 3s.  He attempted 8, his record with the Celtics, and at a much better percentage than the 3 times he did it in OKC.  Almost a tenth of our shots were Jeff Green 3s (career 35% shooter).  Admittedly, that's probably the last category we want Green being aggressive in, but at least it's something. 

We just have to accept that Green is otherworldly when he's feeling it, but he doesn't "feel it" often enough to play like that on a consistent nightly basis.  It might be a good thing that he's less aggressive on nights where he knows he can't hit those circus shots like he was vs the Heat.

  It seems like every other post about Jeff Green contains a "inconsistent" comment. I'd wager that if people here watched most of the 15-18 ppg scorers in the league as often as they watched Green they'd feel that those players were equally inconsistent, especially if the were told by others that the player they're looking at is inconsistent.

That's my point, Jeff Green is equal to other 15-18 ppg scorers and their consistency levels.  Some people think he could average 25 if he was simply more aggressive or tried harder.  I think it's slightly deeper than that.

  He could probably average a few more points than he does but he's not really a ball-dominant player so averaging 25 a game won't happen simply because he doesn't control the ball enough.

Ball-dominant player = aggressive.  The difference between Melo and Green isn't the number of touches they get, the difference is Melo's a better scorer.  If Green was a better scorer then he would control the ball more and average 25.  I'm saying aggression and ball control is an effect of good scoring, not the cause.

Of course Green could probably average a few more points if he tried, but he'd lose some efficiency if he wasn't picking his spots like he is now.

[LooseCannon]

Green is never going to be a guy who consistently scores 20 points because he is never going to be that guy who forces his way to nights where he makes 7 of 19 or 8 of 24.

[BballTim]

Jeff doesn't have a super aggressive mentality on offense.

Agree, nor does he on D.   If I have a problem with him it's that he let's the game come to him too much.

He didn't do that last night, he was making me cringe with how aggressive he was looking for 3s.  He attempted 8, his record with the Celtics, and at a much better percentage than the 3 times he did it in OKC.  Almost a tenth of our shots were Jeff Green 3s (career 35% shooter).  Admittedly, that's probably the last category we want Green being aggressive in, but at least it's something. 

We just have to accept that Green is otherworldly when he's feeling it, but he doesn't "feel it" often enough to play like that on a consistent nightly basis.  It might be a good thing that he's less aggressive on nights where he knows he can't hit those circus shots like he was vs the Heat.

  It seems like every other post about Jeff Green contains a "inconsistent" comment. I'd wager that if people here watched most of the 15-18 ppg scorers in the league as often as they watched Green they'd feel that those players were equally inconsistent, especially if the were told by others that the player they're looking at is inconsistent.

That's my point, Jeff Green is equal to other 15-18 ppg scorers and their consistency levels.  Some people think he could average 25 if he was simply more aggressive or tried harder.  I think it's slightly deeper than that.

  He could probably average a few more points than he does but he's not really a ball-dominant player so averaging 25 a game won't happen simply because he doesn't control the ball enough.

Ball-dominant player = aggressive.  The difference between Melo and Green isn't the number of touches they get, the difference is Melo's a better scorer.  If Green was a better scorer then he would control the ball more and average 25.

Of course Green could probably average a few more points if he tried, but he'd lose some efficiency if he wasn't picking his spots like he is now.

  It's not about being more aggressive for Melo, it's about being a better ballhandler/isolation player. A better argument would be Durant, who doesn't dominate the ball and isn't truly aggressive enough that he gets the most shots on the team most games.

[mgent]

Jeff doesn't have a super aggressive mentality on offense.

Agree, nor does he on D.   If I have a problem with him it's that he let's the game come to him too much.

He didn't do that last night, he was making me cringe with how aggressive he was looking for 3s.  He attempted 8, his record with the Celtics, and at a much better percentage than the 3 times he did it in OKC.  Almost a tenth of our shots were Jeff Green 3s (career 35% shooter).  Admittedly, that's probably the last category we want Green being aggressive in, but at least it's something. 

We just have to accept that Green is otherworldly when he's feeling it, but he doesn't "feel it" often enough to play like that on a consistent nightly basis.  It might be a good thing that he's less aggressive on nights where he knows he can't hit those circus shots like he was vs the Heat.

  It seems like every other post about Jeff Green contains a "inconsistent" comment. I'd wager that if people here watched most of the 15-18 ppg scorers in the league as often as they watched Green they'd feel that those players were equally inconsistent, especially if the were told by others that the player they're looking at is inconsistent.

That's my point, Jeff Green is equal to other 15-18 ppg scorers and their consistency levels.  Some people think he could average 25 if he was simply more aggressive or tried harder.  I think it's slightly deeper than that.

  He could probably average a few more points than he does but he's not really a ball-dominant player so averaging 25 a game won't happen simply because he doesn't control the ball enough.

Ball-dominant player = aggressive.  The difference between Melo and Green isn't the number of touches they get, the difference is Melo's a better scorer.  If Green was a better scorer then he would control the ball more and average 25.

Of course Green could probably average a few more points if he tried, but he'd lose some efficiency if he wasn't picking his spots like he is now.

  It's not about being more aggressive for Melo, it's about being a better ballhandler/isolation player. A better argument would be Durant, who doesn't dominate the ball and isn't truly aggressive enough that he gets the most shots on the team most games.

See, that's one of my points.  Melo pushes the issue more often than Durant and so he's a less efficient scorer than Durant.  Green and Durant's lack of "aggression" is by design so that they remain more efficient scorers.  He's a toned down version of Durant, not Melo.  Maybe he could push the issue more but who's to say it would necessarily make him a better player?

Edit:  Maybe better ball-handling IS the difference between Green averaging 25 and 15-18.  Either way he's the latter, and I don't think it's simply "mentality" that's holding him back.