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Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2013, 10:21:48 AM »

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MCW is the real deal. People just aren't paying attention to what he did last year at Syracuse. He is an elite defender. He has excellent passing ability, an elite ability to run an offense and elite ability to drive the lane. His shooting is suspect but working as of now. He is very "Rondo-like" only bigger and longer. In this draft class, he is probably ROY.
He shot 39% and 30% from three in College.  He shot 32% in and 27% from three in the Pre-season.

He's shooting 47% and 47% from three in the first 3 games of this season.   I give it 11 games.  Start the clock!  Lol

I paid attention to what he did at Syracuse last year, and he had games where he looked really, really good offensively, but he had a lot of stinkers too. The entire regular season he didn't string together 3 consecutive games of 45% or better, and it wasn't until the tournament that he managed to do so.

His summer league had me down on him pretty hard, and his preseason while improved wasnt exactly a hint that he'd have a string of games like this.

Not that he doesn't have the potential to be a very good player..just he's not gonna be the guy he is right now statistically in 10 games. Hell in 3 games.
You really weren't paying attention then because his entire offensive game isn't shooting.

Jimmer Freddette was a great college PG that could shoot lights out but the rest of his game wasn't very good. His game has not translated well to the NBA. MCW was a great college PG but was a streaky shooter and his shot wasn't great. But the rest of his game is excellent. His game translates well to the NBA.

Given your professed love of Oladipo, an extremely similar player to MCW only without the ball handling ability and with lesser passing skills, I am surprised to see you so down on MCW.

I'm not even sure where you're disagreeing with me. I said statistically he can't keep this up, and that it doesn't preclude him from being a very good player.

And how is Oladipo relevant? Did he shoot over 45% the last 3 games and completely demolish expectations for him walking into the year?
Sorry man. Kinda missed the last sentence of that post where you state he has the potential to be very good just not the guy he is now.

I do think Oladipo is relevant because I find them to be extremely similar players and yet many, yourself included have been extremely high on Oladipo while very cool on MCW. I happen to think, because their athleticism, defensive prowess, size, drive and BBIQ that both players will be excellent pros and maybe even special. I just do not understand how people could think one of those two could have great potential and the other not so much. I guess preference comes into it but for a purely scouting perspective, I gotta think both have games and the skills that translate well to the NBA.

Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2013, 10:29:11 AM »

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MCW is the real deal. People just aren't paying attention to what he did last year at Syracuse. He is an elite defender. He has excellent passing ability, an elite ability to run an offense and elite ability to drive the lane. His shooting is suspect but working as of now. He is very "Rondo-like" only bigger and longer. In this draft class, he is probably ROY.
He shot 39% and 30% from three in College.  He shot 32% in and 27% from three in the Pre-season.

He's shooting 47% and 47% from three in the first 3 games of this season.   I give it 11 games.  Start the clock!  Lol

I paid attention to what he did at Syracuse last year, and he had games where he looked really, really good offensively, but he had a lot of stinkers too. The entire regular season he didn't string together 3 consecutive games of 45% or better, and it wasn't until the tournament that he managed to do so.

His summer league had me down on him pretty hard, and his preseason while improved wasnt exactly a hint that he'd have a string of games like this.

Not that he doesn't have the potential to be a very good player..just he's not gonna be the guy he is right now statistically in 10 games. Hell in 3 games.
You really weren't paying attention then because his entire offensive game isn't shooting.

Jimmer Freddette was a great college PG that could shoot lights out but the rest of his game wasn't very good. His game has not translated well to the NBA. MCW was a great college PG but was a streaky shooter and his shot wasn't great. But the rest of his game is excellent. His game translates well to the NBA.

Given your professed love of Oladipo, an extremely similar player to MCW only without the ball handling ability and with lesser passing skills, I am surprised to see you so down on MCW.

I'm not even sure where you're disagreeing with me. I said statistically he can't keep this up, and that it doesn't preclude him from being a very good player.

And how is Oladipo relevant? Did he shoot over 45% the last 3 games and completely demolish expectations for him walking into the year?
Sorry man. Kinda missed the last sentence of that post where you state he has the potential to be very good just not the guy he is now.

I do think Oladipo is relevant because I find them to be extremely similar players and yet many, yourself included have been extremely high on Oladipo while very cool on MCW. I happen to think, because their athleticism, defensive prowess, size, drive and BBIQ that both players will be excellent pros and maybe even special. I just do not understand how people could think one of those two could have great potential and the other not so much. I guess preference comes into it but for a purely scouting perspective, I gotta think both have games and the skills that translate well to the NBA.

Well I'd agree that they both potentially translate well, but with both guys the places they're slated to make the biggest impact isn't from a scoring standpoint. Oladipo and MCW both made their reputations with devastating defense on the perimeter, Oladipo as a fearless lockdown defender, MCW as a multi-tool passing lane vulture and versatile defensive presence.

But nobody expected MCW to be scoring like he has, which is what Larry and I were basically getting at..IE that his scoring numbers here are an outlier.

FWF stated it pretty well too, more on the nose than I did; he's a streaky shooter. Was in college, likely will be here.

EDIT: I'm saying the impact they (oladipo and McW) were slated to have right away was predominantly on the defensive side, with MCW's passing vision also in play. Nobody thought that MCW would be scoring like he has.
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Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2013, 10:44:10 AM »

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Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2013, 10:45:32 AM »

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Perhaps the 11 game rule should be limited to describing a new players scoring ability. Michael Carter Williams looks like a good all around player, but perhaps it is just his scoring that will drop from this crazy superstar level.

And Bradley's scoring fell off a cliff, but his defense continues to be there, and that will keep him in the nba.

To some degree, the 11 game rule might be applicable to a surprise team as well. I feel like there have been many overachievers that have blast out of the gates, only to slide back to reality once their players are scouted and taken more seriously. Philadelphia may start 7-3 and finish with a 28-54 record.

Anyway, good rule. And something to look for.

Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2013, 11:08:57 AM »

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Well I'd agree that they both potentially translate well, but with both guys the places they're slated to make the biggest impact isn't from a scoring standpoint. Oladipo and MCW both made their reputations with devastating defense on the perimeter, Oladipo as a fearless lockdown defender, MCW as a multi-tool passing lane vulture and versatile defensive presence.

But nobody expected MCW to be scoring like he has, which is what Larry and I were basically getting at..IE that his scoring numbers here are an outlier.

FWF stated it pretty well too, more on the nose than I did; he's a streaky shooter. Was in college, likely will be here.

EDIT: I'm saying the impact they (oladipo and McW) were slated to have right away was predominantly on the defensive side, with MCW's passing vision also in play. Nobody thought that MCW would be scoring like he has.
Yeah, immediately neither was expected to be good shooters but I still feel both will be good offensive contributors this year because of the more wide open spacing and end to end play that the NBA has. Both are dangerous going to the hoop and will score in transition. If both can have a FG% of about 43-45% I think 11-14 PPG is very doable for both players.

One thing is for sure, they will both be the rookies with the most filled out stat lines this year.

Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2013, 11:16:04 AM »

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Well I'd agree that they both potentially translate well, but with both guys the places they're slated to make the biggest impact isn't from a scoring standpoint. Oladipo and MCW both made their reputations with devastating defense on the perimeter, Oladipo as a fearless lockdown defender, MCW as a multi-tool passing lane vulture and versatile defensive presence.

But nobody expected MCW to be scoring like he has, which is what Larry and I were basically getting at..IE that his scoring numbers here are an outlier.

FWF stated it pretty well too, more on the nose than I did; he's a streaky shooter. Was in college, likely will be here.

EDIT: I'm saying the impact they (oladipo and McW) were slated to have right away was predominantly on the defensive side, with MCW's passing vision also in play. Nobody thought that MCW would be scoring like he has.
Yeah, immediately neither was expected to be good shooters but I still feel both will be good offensive contributors this year because of the more wide open spacing and end to end play that the NBA has. Both are dangerous going to the hoop and will score in transition. If both can have a FG% of about 43-45% I think 11-14 PPG is very doable for both players.

One thing is for sure, they will both be the rookies with the most filled out stat lines this year.

I don't think that's for sure.  I honestly believe there's a big in Boston who might end up having a say (and, no, the one I'm referring to isn't Brazilian).
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Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2013, 03:51:24 PM »

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Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2013, 03:56:10 PM »

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Perhaps the 11 game rule should be limited to describing a new players scoring ability. Michael Carter Williams looks like a good all around player, but perhaps it is just his scoring that will drop from this crazy superstar level.

And Bradley's scoring fell off a cliff, but his defense continues to be there, and that will keep him in the nba.

To some degree, the 11 game rule might be applicable to a surprise team as well. I feel like there have been many overachievers that have blast out of the gates, only to slide back to reality once their players are scouted and taken more seriously. Philadelphia may start 7-3 and finish with a 28-54 record.

Anyway, good rule. And something to look for.

I think it actually works better when applied to teams, rather than players.
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Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2013, 04:46:54 PM »

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Bradley didn't exactly "light the world on fire" nor has he exactly faded from existence, but I have to at least bring it up.

He doesn't exactly fit the bill like those mentioned before him.
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Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2013, 05:41:03 PM »

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Favarani has been sit down so can we fairly evaluate him.  Stevens seem to bench him in the second half of the last 2 games.

Re: LarBrd33's "11 Game Rule"
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2013, 05:50:34 PM »

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I don't think you can apply a 11 game rule to Fav, who is basically doing dirty work inside, grabbing boards, putbacks, blocking shots.

Favarani has been sit down so can we fairly evaluate him.  Stevens seem to bench him in the second half of the last 2 games.

He played a lot last game.  Tough matchup though.
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