Already Disappointed in Green Again.

[slamtheking]

 I just made a 50$ bet with a friend that he won't avg 20ppg. Anyway it's not a big deal cause I'm happy for the big tank project. Just saying he's never gonna be a prtime time player.

Ask your friend if he wants a little more action on that bet.

Lol, I want in.

I'd take that action too.  I'd have taken it at 18 pts a game but if you can get 20 -- all the better

[playdream]

my thoughts on JG, i think it's not the mental but is a physical probelm

from my own sport experience, i think his body condition's inconsistence caused his game inconsistence, one day you feel strong and powerful but the other day you feel like throngh a diarrhea so you can't make the shot or drove to the basket

Knick's game 2 he apparently try hard to be aggresive(and did) but just don't have enough strength to do the work, and normaly he is aware of the situation so he just pass the ball away or jumpshot(which won't go in)

and when his condition is good he is able to do (he knows)what he need to do,drive and shot good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf3c6fyjHEE

[Galeto]

Hard to say because it's too early. He's got a few adjustments to make but I could see him becoming a 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg guy by the end of the year. Perhaps even 18-20 ppg if Rondo plays more than 50 games.

He'll attract more tough defenders for more minutes and he'll be forced to shoot more jumpshots at least till Rondo gets back. No one else penetrates and dishes to him so he's going to have to create his own opportunities and be assertive with the ball.

Give him a good 25 games to settle down before writing him off.
If he averages 15/5/4 at 9 million he's a bargain trade chip.

I doubt Green is going to average 4 assists a game.  I suppose that seems like an attainable number, a few open/nice passes here and there every game and voila, an assist average close to 4.  But only 10 swing men averaged even 4 assists a game last season.  It's not an easy number to achieve.  And then there's the issue of Green's past: his career best assist average is 2.  He's only had one season where he's averaged even 2 assists and only one season where he's averaged 2 assists per 36.  The jump required to get him to average 4 assists is too much for one season for me.

[the_Bird]

Hard to say because it's too early. He's got a few adjustments to make but I could see him becoming a 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg guy by the end of the year. Perhaps even 18-20 ppg if Rondo plays more than 50 games.

He'll attract more tough defenders for more minutes and he'll be forced to shoot more jumpshots at least till Rondo gets back. No one else penetrates and dishes to him so he's going to have to create his own opportunities and be assertive with the ball.

Give him a good 25 games to settle down before writing him off.
If he averages 15/5/4 at 9 million he's a bargain trade chip.

I doubt Green is going to average 4 assists a game.  I suppose that seems like an attainable number, a few open/nice passes here and there every game and voila, an assist average close to 4.  But only 10 swing men averaged even 4 assists a game last season.  It's not an easy number to achieve.  And then there's the issue of Green's past: his career best assist average is 2.  He's only had one season where he's averaged even 2 assists and only one season where he's averaged 2 assists per 36.  The jump required to get him to average 4 assists is too much for one season for me.

It may depend a little on what kind of system we see Stevens installing in the absence of Rondo.  If there is an emphasis on ball movement among all five players, if there is a focus paid on guys getting "hockey assists," we may see some fairly decent assist numbers from Green, Crash, and KO.  4/game would certainly be on the high side of my expectations, though.

[Fan from VT]

Hard to say because it's too early. He's got a few adjustments to make but I could see him becoming a 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg guy by the end of the year. Perhaps even 18-20 ppg if Rondo plays more than 50 games.

He'll attract more tough defenders for more minutes and he'll be forced to shoot more jumpshots at least till Rondo gets back. No one else penetrates and dishes to him so he's going to have to create his own opportunities and be assertive with the ball.

Give him a good 25 games to settle down before writing him off.
If he averages 15/5/4 at 9 million he's a bargain trade chip.

I doubt Green is going to average 4 assists a game.  I suppose that seems like an attainable number, a few open/nice passes here and there every game and voila, an assist average close to 4.  But only 10 swing men averaged even 4 assists a game last season.  It's not an easy number to achieve.  And then there's the issue of Green's past: his career best assist average is 2.  He's only had one season where he's averaged even 2 assists and only one season where he's averaged 2 assists per 36.  The jump required to get him to average 4 assists is too much for one season for me.

16/6/4 was acheived by 5 players last year. Josh Smith, Pierce, Durant, Lebron, Paul George. Drop it to 15/5/4 add in Wade, Bryant, Westbrook. And keep in mind, those guys didn't just meet the minimum, they were all at least 17 ppg scorers and most were very well above the minimum in one or more of the other categories.

[Drucci]

Making judgment from preseason games is quite overblown. It's true for Green and for all the other players on the roster.

Green has been awful so far in the preseason but I wouldn't make much of it. I, like every Celtics fan, I guess, am waiting for this season to see if Jeff can finally put his inconcistency behind him and become a consistent scorer, day in and day out. He obviously has to prove it, I think we can all agree on that.

With that said, I think it's ridiculous to claim that there are two camps : one always making excuses for Jeff, and one claiming he sucks.

It seems obvious to me that he is indeed preserving himself and taking the preseason as a "warmup" session to get ready for the real NBA season. It's typical of veteran players and while Jeff is not a vet yet, his attitude clearly shows he is acting like one (like the simple fact that he is taking so many jumpers and not really looking to go to the paint or even have a real scorer mentality).

Obviously I could be wrong and I would clearly admit it if happens. But the last time I was claiming that a team was only waiting for the real games, and thus that we should not worry about them, I was talking about the French national team, that struggled in the first round of the Euro... and then went on to win the tournament, by trouncing Lituania in the Finals and beating their nemesis Spain in the previous game.

Of course, I'm not predicting an MVP season for Green but I'm pretty sure he will perform very well, as soon as the season starts.

[yoursweatersux]

the guy shot 18% from the field in yesterdays game. in tonights game he shot 25% from the field. and its not like he just shot four times.  every time he shot i cringed because i knew it wasnt going in.

NINE MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR!?!?!?  why danny? he can shoot a three - but only if he's open, and he can drive to the right if theres a bit of space in the lane. thats all. anything outside of that im in shock.

18% plus 25% = a blistering 21.5% field goal percentage. i think my fav was alast year against the kings 4 from 16 if i recall correctly.  except for a few incredible games he's  not a good nba caliber player.

he's not a starter. he's not a sixth man. he's an average - yes average - bench player. what can he do well?  might as well pay chris babb nine million dollars because he seems to be doing more.

the most hilarious thing about all this to me is that it seems like danny knows... like remember when kg and ray became celtics, when you went to celtics.com there would be a picture of paul,kg, and ray together as the centerpieces of the team.  now it's rondo, avery, and jeff. now why is this funny?

because i have heard how some gm (i think it might have been DA) put some crap player all over the merchandise and posters so that in negotiations with other teams he could say, "such and such will be a big loss for our team if i trade him to you - look at all our posters and merchandise if you dont believe me!"

when you've just traded for a former all-star - gerald wallace, and you have sullinger, and you have olynyk - who was pretty much the best player in college last year - you have enough players who fans can get excited about without dragging up jeff green - whose image only inspires disappointment and loathing in any real celtics fan who remembers all of the time he has spent in green... not exactly something that excites fans as merchandise and posters are...

and just because i feel like you might be interested, on a side note - just before the extension date on rondos rookie contract expired danny got a day extension from the league and locked him up for 11 million dollars per season.  he has the same opportunity with bradley right now but doesnt sign him - and will apparently wait until after the season - when other teams can bid...

this doesnt mean that bradley wont be a celtic next season, it just means that dannys leaving the door open for a sign and trade with bradley because he doesnt think he could be worth what he's asking. 

in this case what does jeff and avery get you in return?

I couldn't agree more.

IMO, trading Perk was actually a good move on account of his injury (and the fact that he's played horribly since, and never fully recovered). I hated it at the time, but it's actually played out in Ainge's favor, so I'll give him props for that. However, trading Perk for GREEN was crap. Perk was a much more valuable asset than this scrub that we got in return for him. It's easy to forget, but people were calling Perk one of the best centers in the league due to his defense and rebounding, and the fact that he was the only guy who could shut down Dwight. OKC thought that it was a miracle they got to unload Jeff Green on us.

[esel1000]

A bit unrelated, but the best part about Green being terrible posts is that he is basically the result of a tanked 2007 season... shows why tanking isn't always the best option, you won't always get a superstar (though if the teams bad enough they'll just get a high pick anyway).

I am disappointed in Green so far, though it's preseason and I think his play will pick up a bit. Just a gut feeling (or I'm really just wishing).

[Celtics18]

A bit unrelated, but the best part about Green being terrible posts is that he is basically the result of a tanked 2007 season... shows why tanking isn't always the best option, you won't always get a superstar (though if the teams bad enough they'll just get a high pick anyway).

I am disappointed in Green so far, though it's preseason and I think his play will pick up a bit. Just a gut feeling (or I'm really just wishing).

There's past evidence out there to support what your gut is telling you.  If Jeff Green plays like he has been playing so far in the preseason, it will be by far his worst ever season as a pro.  I don't see any reason to expect that from him based on three preseason games. 

[LarBrd33]

Green's fine.  Green is what he's always been.  I've been watching this guy closely since he was a rookie with the Seattle Sonics and I've never changed my opinion of him.  He's a solid scorer, decent defender, super athletic... absolutely capable of 15-18 points a night, but he'll never be an all-star.   

I've posted stats backing this up in the past, but every time Durant missed a game (which was rare), Jeff consistently stood up and dropped 20+ points.  He's always been a guy who if you give him enough minutes and touches, he can drop 15-18.  Any improvement you saw in him last year was overblown... he was roughly the same player he's always been... it's just that his role changed once Rondo got injured and stopped controlling the ball 90% of the time. 

This year isn't going to be any different.  Jeff Green is Jeff Green.  Same player he's always been.  He should get plenty of touches... he'll probably drop 17 a night.  But he's not going to be an all-star.  Anyone who expected him to make a leap in his late 20s hasn't been paying attention.  The dude is what he is.  Prior to even trading for him, I pegged Jeff Green as a "quality fringe all-star who could lead an awful team in scoring... but would never make an all-star team.  A lesser Danny Granger".   My opinion hasn't changed... he's going to finally get that chance to drop 17 a night on a bottomfeeder lotto squad.  Strap in while Jeff reaches his potential as poor man's Rudy Gay.

It's interesting though... I wonder if Jeff will ever do enough to lure some team into trading quality assets for him.  Ainge bought low... lets see if he can sell high this year ... or will the veteran become a mainstay?  We're a good 5 years from playoff contention and Jeff Green is 27 years old.  Like Rondo, I don't know if he fits with our long-term plans.