Brad Stevens Negatives?

[hwangjini_1]

while it never hurts to have big men who can shoot the 3, perhaps this is a less valuable tool for sully, and therefore less of a priority. a greater value would be rebounding and scoring under the basket.

for bigs who can shot the 3, perhaps the celtics could rely upon olynyk? in a practice/work out with utah, he shot 63 out of 100 three pointers, from 10 different places on the floor.

olynyk is a bonafide shooter who will rebound adequately.

[bfrombleacher]

while it never hurts to have big men who can shoot the 3, perhaps this is a less valuable tool for sully, and therefore less of a priority. a greater value would be rebounding and scoring under the basket.

for bigs who can shot the 3, perhaps the celtics could rely upon olynyk? in a practice/work out with utah, he shot 63 out of 100 three pointers, from 10 different places on the floor.

olynyk is a bonafide shooter who will rebound adequately.

That's the concern because he's got short arms and isn't otherwise physically gifted if not for his 7 footedness.

Surprisingly though he still averaged more boards than Fab in college.

WHAT THE HECK, FAB!

[LooseCannon]

Olynyk seems like a smart guy who can learn the fundamentals of rebounding and execute them properly.  That being said, I can see him becoming as perfect as anyone else in the league at boxing out while still being a below-average rebounder due to his physical tools.

[erisred]

My worry is about his offense. At Butler he ran a slow down offense that usually didn't shoot until a layup presented itself. Those layups are even less likely to present themselves in the nba.

Will he speed up the offense, spread the floor and take more 3's like the analytics guys will suggest he does? Or will his offense be more reminiscent of his college days and end up being more similar to the Pacers than Rockets?

Someone quoted an article from the front page where Kevin O'Connor said that Stevens doesn't attack the offensive glass. This is not the sense I got from watching Butler play (11th in rebounding margin in the country). That they were able to be the 11th rebounding team in the country while running an extremely slow pace seems like it indicates he does in fact crash the glass.

Defensive glass, they crash hard. Offensive glass, not so much.

I also wonder about his offense. Of course, at Butler with the player he had it made sense to limit the number of possessions, keep it close and let defense and end of game planning win games. In a sense, Butler played NBA playoff style basketball their entire season.

They did run, when the opportunity presented itself, though. Rondo, Bradley, Green, etc. really *should* create many more opportunities to run than with the players he had at Butler.

[JJones1090]

while it never hurts to have big men who can shoot the 3, perhaps this is a less valuable tool for sully, and therefore less of a priority. a greater value would be rebounding and scoring under the basket.

for bigs who can shot the 3, perhaps the celtics could rely upon olynyk? in a practice/work out with utah, he shot 63 out of 100 three pointers, from 10 different places on the floor.

olynyk is a bonafide shooter who will rebound adequately.

That's the concern because he's got short arms and isn't otherwise physically gifted if not for his 7 footedness.

Surprisingly though he still averaged more boards than Fab in college.

WHAT THE HECK, FAB!

He's fundamental. And don't let his baby dinosaur arms fool you. He's got a 9-foot standing reach. That counts for something. I wonder if he can work on those legs and get a few more inches on his hops?

[86MaxwellSmart]

ummmm...I'm a little worried about his initials being B.S.
 

[JJones1090]

ummmm...I'm a little worried about his initials being B.S.
 

Bachelor of science...that's only a four year degree...

Oh god, we're screwed.

[Sketch5]

ummmm...I'm a little worried about his initials being B.S.
 

Bachelor of science...that's only a four year degree...

Oh god, we're screwed.

Yeah no kidding. Last coach was a Doctor!

[Celtics4ever]

He's fundamental. And don't let his baby dinosaur arms fool you. He's got a 9-foot standing reach. That counts for something. I wonder if he can work on those legs and get a few more inches on his hops?

Scouts are more concerned with wingspan than standing reach.   I am over 6'7" and I have a 8"10" standing reach.   Nine feet is not as good as you think it is really. 

That standing reach you love to tout is in fact short for his height so please end touting it as if it is a good thing.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=averages&year=All&draft=100&pos=0&sort=

His wingspan is 6'9" and his arms are 1.5" inches shorter in standing reach than the average seven footer.  Thabeet has a 9"5" standing reach and it hasn't helped him.

http://basketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/standingreach.htm

It is used more for vertical leap than anything else.   Your standing reach is subtracted from the max point you can jump to get your vertical.

So what you represent as good is actually below average for his height.

[JJones1090]

He's fundamental. And don't let his baby dinosaur arms fool you. He's got a 9-foot standing reach. That counts for something. I wonder if he can work on those legs and get a few more inches on his hops?

Scouts are more concerned with wingspan than standing reach.   I am over 6'7" and I have a 8"10" standing reach.   Nine feet is not as good as you think it is really. 

That standing reach you love to tout is in fact short for his height so please end touting it as if it is a good thing.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=averages&year=All&draft=100&pos=0&sort=

His wingspan is 6'9" and his arms are 1.5" inches shorter in standing reach than the average seven footer.  Thabeet has a 9"5" standing reach and it hasn't helped him.

http://basketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/standingreach.htm

It is used more for vertical leap than anything else.   Your standing reach is subtracted from the max point you can jump to get your vertical.

So what you represent as good is actually below average for his height.

Won't argue. Thanks for the information, I thought that was a pretty solid reach and would help his shot-blocking efforts.

I still think he can be a savvy, smart player and can even be taught better defense. A seven footer is a seven footer...I'd hate to drive on him. Then again, I'm six foot even haha.

[bfrombleacher]

He's fundamental. And don't let his baby dinosaur arms fool you. He's got a 9-foot standing reach. That counts for something. I wonder if he can work on those legs and get a few more inches on his hops?

Scouts are more concerned with wingspan than standing reach.   I am over 6'7" and I have a 8"10" standing reach.   Nine feet is not as good as you think it is really. 

That standing reach you love to tout is in fact short for his height so please end touting it as if it is a good thing.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=averages&year=All&draft=100&pos=0&sort=

His wingspan is 6'9" and his arms are 1.5" inches shorter in standing reach than the average seven footer.  Thabeet has a 9"5" standing reach and it hasn't helped him.

http://basketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/standingreach.htm

It is used more for vertical leap than anything else.   Your standing reach is subtracted from the max point you can jump to get your vertical.

So what you represent as good is actually below average for his height.

Won't argue. Thanks for the information, I thought that was a pretty solid reach and would help his shot-blocking efforts.

I still think he can be a savvy, smart player and can even be taught better defense. A seven footer is a seven footer...I'd hate to drive on him. Then again, I'm six foot even haha.

Javale McGee has a reach of 9'6
Pekovic has a 9'4 reach
Dwight has a 9'3 reach
Al Horford has an 8'11 reach
Al Jefferson 9'2
Kevin Love 8'10

Jajuan Johnson 8'11.5

Average reach of draftees by height (7 footers have about a 9'3 average reach but shorter draftees have higher reaches, possibly because of undersized centers):
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=averages

Average reach of dratees by position (centers have a 9'1.3 average): http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=avepos&year=All


Just some perspective. You can take it either way. Of course the averages include bad players with bad measurements. And some height increments will have a far smaller sample size.

He's a 7 footer. But he's not. But he is.

The more I talked about measurements, the more I worried about this being Jajuan Johnson 2.0. However, Olynyk has been praised for his toughness, is far more skilled and relies far less on his physique. Plus, K.O. still has a higher standing reach.

As always, with young players, reserved optimism is my approach (that's the privilege of being a fan and not a GM, no stress! (well, a good GM anyway) Sometimes, just relax Celticsblog!).

[Celtics4ever]

Every inch helps to block a shot, but his IQ will be his greatest asset.   Anticipation and timing are gifts that shot blockers have, I honestly don't know about Oly in this regard but he is high IQ so might have the anticipation covered.

[Neurotic Guy]

Watching Stevens' press conference right now.  I know the thread is about negatives, and obviously they aren't talking about negatives at the press conference.  He is a very impressive young man.  Saying all the right things -- just discussed his phone conversation with Rondo and how he is looking forward to learning from Rondo and discussing basketball with him.  Talks about the importance of the 'relational' side of coaching.  He seems like a guy who is smart, likeable and humble.  Amazing poise for a 36 yo IMO.