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Re: why did Cs feel the need to write Doc on May 9th?
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2013, 05:55:20 AM »

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The stories that the Clips negotiators were not even permitted to make deals at the table seem like lunacy unless you suppose the idea was to get DOc and make CP3 happy and NOT give away any other assets that may be used for other deals...deals that Doc has a lot of official control over now.

If Doc really wanted K.G. in town it seems he coulda made it happen (just my opinion). To do so though he woulda had to give away assets that he could use on other deals to do so which means he had conflicting agendas.

Doc knows what happened.
K.G. might
And we probably never will

Yep, it seems like the negotiators could not make a deal at the table because the chief negotiator Doc Rivers could not be at the table. He is a guy who for nine years has gained insights into DA's style so he knew DA could fleece his new team. He must have requested final say on the negotiations, IMO.

Re: why did Cs feel the need to write Doc on May 9th?
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2013, 06:42:58 AM »

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The stories that the Clips negotiators were not even permitted to make deals at the table seem like lunacy unless you suppose the idea was to get DOc and make CP3 happy and NOT give away any other assets that may be used for other deals...deals that Doc has a lot of official control over now.

If Doc really wanted K.G. in town it seems he coulda made it happen (just my opinion). To do so though he woulda had to give away assets that he could use on other deals to do so which means he had conflicting agendas.

Doc knows what happened.
K.G. might
And we probably never will

Yep, it seems like the negotiators could not make a deal at the table because the chief negotiator Doc Rivers could not be at the table. He is a guy who for nine years has gained insights into DA's style so he knew DA could fleece his new team. He must have requested final say on the negotiations, IMO.

Exactly.

I thought the timeline
Celtics Playoff Exit>Stephen A story (4 days later)>Doc Ainge meeting (day after that)>Official letter sent *technically a letter of compliance*(day after that)> and on into bizzaro world
You could get tinfoil hat'ish and suppose that the 1st event would have been The Clips and/or Doc violating league rules and discussing this before the season of both or either teams ended. I think in hindsight that was (The SAS story) a poor move strategically because it seems debatable how such a big thing was maybe put together in just 3 days and released by SAS the 4th day...1 game into the leagues 2nd round series.

**Takes tinfoil hat off**

Now for those readers saying Wyc didn't wanna pay Doc 7mill for a rebuilding team that holds no water. None. Makes NO SENSE

It doesn't count against the cap. He was tied to K.G. by his own indirect words and K.G. to Doc more directly and in his own words (K.G.)

Add K.G.'s and Doc's 2013/14 salaries. Now subtract the loss of revenue
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In the six seasons before Garnett started playing at the Garden, average attendance there was 16,554. In the six seasons since, it has been 18,541, a 12 percent increase.

There’s a reason why Garnett’s nickname is “The Big Ticket,” though he also could be called “The Big Jersey Sale.” His No. 5 was the top-selling jersey in the entire NBA during his first season in Boston, helping to make Celtics gear the league’s most purchased, after the team’s merchandise ranked seventh the year before.

The Celtics’ popularity surge has enabled the club to command higher ticket prices. The team’s average ticket price was 21 percent higher than the league average before Garnett came to town, according to Team Marketing Report, a sports industry tracking firm in Wilmette, Ill. It is now 43 percent higher than the NBA average.


Do you think it is a net profitable idea to lose Doc and K.G.? K.G. had value as a player as a locker room personality as an interface between the Celtics and the Press he was enormously profitable in many other ways. His contract was surely not a problem for Wyc and his bean counters. Doc was under a contract that the league and Celtic ownership were comfortable with as evidenced by the drama that unfolded and a notorious tightwad now paying him as much with an expanded role.
Others including myself think Doc wasn't the guy for a rebuild and I agree but it's not the point. The image and stability of a storied franchise along with a possibility of K.G. re upping to stay with the guy was. We now have no coach at all. We lost a great player. #1 in Jersey sales locally ,high nationally and a great ticket draw. A financial loss that exceeds the investment in them awaits.

The Wyc and 7mill savings line doesn't fit the story and it really doesn't make any financial sense either


Re: why did Cs feel the need to write Doc on May 9th?
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2013, 07:22:08 AM »

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Now the big one, could Doc have screwed KG and PP on the way out. Did he really want them in LA?

I wanted to do that timeline post because folks are getting confused when they put some stuff out. The timeline is a semi-record of the order in which things played out. I think it's very very important.

Now to answer a question I don't know the answer to but have wondered myself let me say..

I believe at the time CP3 wanted Doc and Howard and maybe K.G.? I believe Doc wanted K.G. Pierce had less leverage with the Celts than K.G. who I think insisted on a no trade last year on the advise of his friend Doc Rivers. So K.G. was more than possible while Paul was not impossible but would have required a 3rd team I believe?

The Clips start reducing their initial offer which seemed Atypical for such a negotiation? D.A.walked at least 2 times and called press confrences for Doc to attend. Rumors about CP3's strong desire for Doc to be the coach were notable because K.G. had fallen off the media's storyline. It was said that all this was just to get CP3 to sign.  The whole thing is so bizzare that Stern laughs at it...literally ..on T.V. That made it impossible to get Garnett. Whose purposes are being served? The Clips it seems as they went from using pieces that could be filler for Howard to NOT having to use them other than 1 1st which was ironically part of the 1st version of the trade except it became unprotected.

Now who got what they wanted so far?
CP3 (the MOST important player in this drama)
The Clips ( They made CP3 happy and let go of a probable late 1st but nothing else which leaves doc with tools to do his work...what is Docs "work")

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/06/doc-rivers-to-have-final-say-on-clips-personnel.html

Glen "Doc" Rivers
Coach AND Senior V.P. of basketball operations for the Los Angeles Clippers.
He is THE guy that could have got K.G. in but couldn't ???  Yeah he wasn't in that position officially but if the "Doc advised Clips not to include Bledsoe" leaks were true he was kinda already advising the Clips to not surrender any assets not necessary which hurt K.G.'s chances.

If the original proposal was followed thru then Bledsoe who D.A. really likes and D.J. for money purposes would likely be In Boston and K.G. would definitely be with Doc and P.P likely too since D.A. not being totally screwed woulda made it happen.

Actually the 1st rumor was:

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The proposal allegedly being discussed was Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to the Clippers for Blake Griffin, Eric Bledsoe, DeAndre Jordan and Caron Butler. Then Doc Rivers would walk away from the Celtics this summer and sign on to coach the Clippers

The slow but massive dissolving of the trade pieces put Danny in an impossible position with the draft and trade time approaching. The media circus pulled the league into it and a 2 year old story dressed as new leaked just as it seemed to be that Doc was coming back.
The stories that the Clips negotiators were not even permitted to make deals at the table seem like lunacy unless you suppose the idea was to get DOc and make CP3 happy and NOT give away any other assets that may be used for other deals...deals that Doc has a lot of official control over now.

If Doc really wanted K.G. in town it seems he coulda made it happen (just my opinion). To do so though he woulda had to give away assets that he could use on other deals to do so which means he had conflicting agendas.

Doc knows what happened.
K.G. might
And we probably never will

I expect Doc didn't trust the Clips to pick him up after he delivered KG and, on the cheap, Pierce to them.  And, as you say, he didn't want the club he was about to coach to strip itself of young assets before he got there. 

Can you imagine being Danny and reading such a report, however?  Doc would help to steer their best assets to the team he planned  thacoaching later that year?  Yikes!

To then not sign for and read a registered letter is something that a deadbeat does to evade a bill collector or the IRS or whatever.  Also, I imagine, what someone might do when they are knowingly violating their employment contract (and maybe under legal counsel themselves).

The C's probably knew perfectly well what Doc was up to, but didn't have enough proof to take him to court, so they were trying to manage it the best they could.

My hope is that the Clips implode at least by next year, so Danny gets a great 2015 pick from it--and Doc gets stuck with what he tried to avoid here.

In practicality, KG, who is good friends with Chris Paul, and PP were likely in on it and in on it before the end of the playoffs--exactly the sort of thing they were supposedly so miffed with Ray about.  (Yes, at least the C's weren't playing against the Clips in the playoffs at the time.)  So I really wouldn't mind if the Nets' hyper-mercenary, old-man team were to implode this year--and Danny were to get a great 2014 pick out of it.

There's good reason that Danny gave us the timeline and the tidbit about the letter--and we ought to put the pieces together.


Re: why did Cs feel the need to write Doc on May 9th?
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2013, 01:23:21 PM »

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Wait, which one of you is Bill. Great stuff. Thanks.

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Re: why did Cs feel the need to write Doc on May 9th?
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2013, 01:58:51 PM »

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Doc pulled all the stops to get out of town without decimating his new team.

You know the Celtics new trouble was brewing when they brought in the legal guys and sent certified mail. By the way, anyone with legal experience will tell you that it is good practice when you send certified mail to also send same letter with regular mail.

Doc/Clippers negotiated in the press and when all that failed brought in the league office.