Forsberg: King's Ransom?

[CelticConcourse]

  Doc wants another run with KG and Paul, Danny might not.  I think Doc is exploring if there is another destination to make this happen.  I happen to agree with Doc and not Danny.  The Eastern conference is at this point literally Miami, Indiana, and wide open.  With a healthy Rondo and Sullinger, our squad could've easily been in the ECF, and with a healthy Jeff Green, had a decent shot of beating Miami.  Thats just my two cents. 

And this will set us back ten years and no chance at 2014 picks...

I'll take the chance for a title in 2014. Everyone's tanking? We'll take the title.

[winsomme]

1) Have you gotten a better offer for KG? With multiple sources reporting (not message board conjecture)?

If not...then ANYTHING is better than KG giving you enough wins to be a mediocre team outside the lottery. Capspace only matters for the difference of when DeAndre's contract ends and KG, which is 1 year. Meaning you HAVE to sign someone this summer to get value. Who's going to sign? Lebron? no. Love? Why would he leave Rubio and Rick Adelman? Lakers are gunning for him too.

2) DeAndre is a starter. He's young and could get better. KG is just getting you diminishing returns. Worst case scenario is that Jordan stat inflates on the Celtics to 10 and 10 and then you trade him for a mid first rounder (being SUPER conservative here).

3) Only reason Bledsoe is a backup is because he's behind Chris freaking Paul.

Seriously...I don't get
1) The DA hate. He got you guys a title. Shush.
2) The Doc hate. Yah he was mediocre pre-big 3 but he's a championship motivating coach, not a rebuilding coach (cough cough Orlando).
3) The belief that you can get a god package for a 37 year old center.

I really don't see how this is a "god" package. (EDIT: ah, I see. supposed to be "good"...point still holds) You have no starters coming back in the deal. Jordan is not that young and he could barely stay on the floor for the Clips because of the deficiencies in his game. And Bledsoe is another undersized two guard. That's the last thing we need.

I'd  rather play out the string and then tank for a year and use a high draft pick and the cap room to retool. Collecting a bunch of mediocre talent and low picks just doesn't sound like a rebuild to me.

[slamtheking]

1) Have you gotten a better offer for KG? With multiple sources reporting (not message board conjecture)?

If not...then ANYTHING is better than KG giving you enough wins to be a mediocre team outside the lottery. Capspace only matters for the difference of when DeAndre's contract ends and KG, which is 1 year. Meaning you HAVE to sign someone this summer to get value. Who's going to sign? Lebron? no. Love? Why would he leave Rubio and Rick Adelman? Lakers are gunning for him too.

2) DeAndre is a starter. He's young and could get better. KG is just getting you diminishing returns. Worst case scenario is that Jordan stat inflates on the Celtics to 10 and 10 and then you trade him for a mid first rounder (being SUPER conservative here).

3) Only reason Bledsoe is a backup is because he's behind Chris freaking Paul.

Seriously...I don't get
1) The DA hate. He got you guys a title. Shush.
2) The Doc hate. Yah he was mediocre pre-big 3 but he's a championship motivating coach, not a rebuilding coach (cough cough Orlando).
3) The belief that you can get a god package for a 37 year old center.

I really don't see how this is a "god" package. (EDIT: ah, I see. supposed to be "good"...point still holds) You have no starters coming back in the deal. Jordan is not that young and he could barely stay on the floor for the Clips because of the deficiencies in his game. And Bledsoe is another undersized two guard. That's the last thing we need.

I'd  rather play out the string and then tank for a year and use a high draft pick and the cap room to retool. Collecting a bunch of mediocre talent and low picks just doesn't sound like a rebuild to me.

and who says we have to move KG?  he'll produce more than Jordan next year.  not exactly a selling point for swapping those 2.  throw in Jordan's overpaid for what he produces and the Clips would have to sweeten the deal with at LEAST Bledsoe-->also a non-starting player whether he's on the Clips behind CP3 or in Boston behind Rondo.

[erisred]

On what planet is Jordan an ideal center to put next to Griffin?  They'd e way better off with a big body who can hit the 18 footer.  if I'm defending the Clips, I have Jordan's man in help position near the rim the entire game. 

Put a floor stretcher like KG next to Griffin, even for two years, and the team becomes way more potent offensively, and way better defensively.

Absolutely! KG's mid-range offense and defense would do wonders for Griffin and the Clippers. Jordan doesn't fit well there...I doubt he fits well in Boston either, though.

Regarding Bledsoe, the Clips want to save him for a possible deal for a wing like Afflalo, but if it's Bledsoe or no deal, they need to take the deal.  If they don't include Butler in the Cs' deal, they should be able to move his expiring deal for a quality wing.  The other option is to sign a vet ring chaser for the minimum.

I find this interesting. We've been speculating that Pierce was "wink, wink" part of the deal in a waive and sign with Clippers sense. *He'd* be their wing, why go after Afflalo if Pierce is coming in. So, either Pierce isn't a hidden variable here or the Clippers are talking through their hat about why they want to hang onto Bledsoe. 

The Clippers priority should be signing CP3, and not worrying about what secondary deal can bring in a decent wing.  If the Doc/KG move locks up Paul, you do the deal, even if you have to give up Bledsoe.   

KG has two years of high level ball left in him. He figures to be way better than DJ for those two years, and the cachet he brings to LA is a huge factor too.  Re-uniting him with Billups will give this team the veteran leadership they need to balance out CP3's surliness.  If they can get Pierce for the MLE after Boston declines his option, they'd be the favorite in the West.

Yep, so I call shenanigans on the Clippers argument for not including Bledsoe. Either they want to keep Bledsoe to dangle him with Griffin of Howard (the Lakers say they'd never do that...and they might not, but it would be something instead of nothing if DH doesn't want to be there), or they are looking to squeeze the C's down to one or no picks...IMO.

Another thing, how can Doc be "talking to Chris Paul?" He's still a Celtics employee and he's talking to a player who is still employed by another team, until July 1st, if I understand it correctly. That's against the rules, gets you fined, gets things (like picks) taken away from a team.