Boston's new defense : The Manwich Zone

[pearljammer10]

Haha wow. That seems like a crazy complicated system to grasp. So much going on and so many different this to rememeber. No wonder it takes around 45 games to start gelling.

[CelticConcourse]

Did not like it. Weak.

[LarBrd33]

KG gives them an awful lot of flexibility still.  The guy is having an amazing season.

His impact on the team is underrated.  Even when Rondo was healthy, KG was still the best player on the team in my opinion.  Pierce 2nd.   

[BudweiserCeltic]

KG gives them an awful lot of flexibility still.  The guy is having an amazing season.

His impact on the team is underrated.  Even when Rondo was healthy, KG was still the best player on the team in my opinion.  Pierce 2nd.

Pierce wasn't good for most of the season, so disagree with that assessment. If people want to point fingers at Rondo for our struggles, they're very much underrating the negative impact Pierce had on this team through much of it too. Everything you can use to complain about Rondo, you can also apply to Pierce this year.

[crimson_stallion]

KG gives them an awful lot of flexibility still.  The guy is having an amazing season.

His impact on the team is underrated.  Even when Rondo was healthy, KG was still the best player on the team in my opinion.  Pierce 2nd.

Pierce wasn't good for most of the season, so disagree with that assessment. If people want to point fingers at Rondo for our struggles, they're very much underrating the negative impact Pierce had on this team through much of it too. Everything you can use to complain about Rondo, you can also apply to Pierce this year.

Utterly untrue.  Anybody who tries to argue against Pierce's impact has no clue what they are talking about.

Yes Pierce does make more mistakes than he used to, and yes he's missing more shots...but there is still not one single player on this team who makes more HUGE shots at critical times than Pierce does.

There is still not a single guy on this team outside of Pierce who you can just give the ball to, and they can create points.

Not only is Pierce the only guy on this team who can score in every possible way, he's one of the only guys in the LEAGUE.  Name me one aspect of Pierce's offensive game that he's not competent at?

Post game? Check.
Fadeaway? Check.
Attacks off the drible? Check.
Three pointers from anywhere? Check.
Midrange? Check.
Gets to the line (and makes them)? Check.
Go left or right? Check.

You can say all you want about the mistakes Pierce makes from time to time, but that type of offensive talent is not replacable because when a guy can score in THAT many ways, it makes that guy almost impossible to defend.

Back off him to defend against the drive, he will knock down the J.  Defend him close, he'll blow right by you.  Put a hand in his face? He'll shoot right over it.  Put a bigger dfefender on him, he'll blow by.  Put a smaller guys, he'll post you or shoot over you.  Put him to the line and he'll beat you there as well.

IMHO Pierce is still a top 5 offensive player in the league (if not, than definately top 10) not in terms of the number of points he produces, but just in terms of how complete his offensive game is.   How many other guy scan score in as many ways as he can?

* Durant
* Melo
* Kobe

This are the only definitive ones that come to my mind. 

Maybe you can throw Lebron in there now that he's improved his jump shot. Maybe Harden, Rudy Gay, Danny Granger? 

I think you'll be hard pressed to find 10 guys who have the all-round offensive versatility that Pierce has, and that's BEFORE you take into account his passig ability. 

Terry won us this game directly with the last 5 points his scored, but how about those two or three MASSIVE back-to-back baskets Pierce hit towards the end of the game?  The Hawks had gone up by 4 or 6 points and it looked like they were pulling away, and Pierce just took over.

Then that final three from WAY outside the line prior to the Terry three? 

Without Pierce there is no hope in hell we win a game like this.  He is to our offense what Bradley and KG are to our defense, and losing Pierce (in the short term) would hurt us a LOT more than losing Rondo...because scoring is the one thing we do the worst, and Pierce is the one dominant scorer we have.

[LarBrd33]

KG gives them an awful lot of flexibility still.  The guy is having an amazing season.

His impact on the team is underrated.  Even when Rondo was healthy, KG was still the best player on the team in my opinion.  Pierce 2nd.

Pierce wasn't good for most of the season, so disagree with that assessment. If people want to point fingers at Rondo for our struggles, they're very much underrating the negative impact Pierce had on this team through much of it too. Everything you can use to complain about Rondo, you can also apply to Pierce this year.

Utterly untrue.  Anybody who tries to argue against Pierce's impact has no clue what they are talking about.

Yes Pierce does make more mistakes than he used to, and yes he's missing more shots...but there is still not one single player on this team who makes more HUGE shots at critical times than Pierce does.

There is still not a single guy on this team outside of Pierce who you can just give the ball to, and they can create points.

Not only is Pierce the only guy on this team who can score in every possible way, he's one of the only guys in the LEAGUE.  Name me one aspect of Pierce's offensive game that he's not competent at?

Post game? Check.
Fadeaway? Check.
Attacks off the drible? Check.
Three pointers from anywhere? Check.
Midrange? Check.
Gets to the line (and makes them)? Check.
Go left or right? Check.

You can say all you want about the mistakes Pierce makes from time to time, but that type of offensive talent is not replacable because when a guy can score in THAT many ways, it makes that guy almost impossible to defend.

Back off him to defend against the drive, he will knock down the J.  Defend him close, he'll blow right by you.  Put a hand in his face? He'll shoot right over it.  Put a bigger dfefender on him, he'll blow by.  Put a smaller guys, he'll post you or shoot over you.  Put him to the line and he'll beat you there as well.

IMHO Pierce is still a top 5 offensive player in the league (if not, than definately top 10) not in terms of the number of points he produces, but just in terms of how complete his offensive game is.   How many other guy scan score in as many ways as he can?

* Durant
* Melo
* Kobe

This are the only definitive ones that come to my mind. 

Maybe you can throw Lebron in there now that he's improved his jump shot. Maybe Harden, Rudy Gay, Danny Granger? 

I think you'll be hard pressed to find 10 guys who have the all-round offensive versatility that Pierce has, and that's BEFORE you take into account his passig ability. 

Terry won us this game directly with the last 5 points his scored, but how about those two or three MASSIVE back-to-back baskets Pierce hit towards the end of the game?  The Hawks had gone up by 4 or 6 points and it looked like they were pulling away, and Pierce just took over.

Then that final three from WAY outside the line prior to the Terry three? 

Without Pierce there is no hope in hell we win a game like this.  He is to our offense what Bradley and KG are to our defense, and losing Pierce (in the short term) would hurt us a LOT more than losing Rondo...because scoring is the one thing we do the worst, and Pierce is the one dominant scorer we have.

TP... it should be pointed out that since Rondo went down, the only two SF's in this league outperforming Pierce are Durant and LeBron... and we are 14-4 since the ball started flowing through Pierce again (as it did pretty much his entire career until late 2009)

[Celtics18]

KG gives them an awful lot of flexibility still.  The guy is having an amazing season.

His impact on the team is underrated.  Even when Rondo was healthy, KG was still the best player on the team in my opinion.  Pierce 2nd.

Pierce wasn't good for most of the season, so disagree with that assessment. If people want to point fingers at Rondo for our struggles, they're very much underrating the negative impact Pierce had on this team through much of it too. Everything you can use to complain about Rondo, you can also apply to Pierce this year.

Utterly untrue.  Anybody who tries to argue against Pierce's impact has no clue what they are talking about.

Yes Pierce does make more mistakes than he used to, and yes he's missing more shots...but there is still not one single player on this team who makes more HUGE shots at critical times than Pierce does.

There is still not a single guy on this team outside of Pierce who you can just give the ball to, and they can create points.

Not only is Pierce the only guy on this team who can score in every possible way, he's one of the only guys in the LEAGUE.  Name me one aspect of Pierce's offensive game that he's not competent at?

Post game? Check.
Fadeaway? Check.
Attacks off the drible? Check.
Three pointers from anywhere? Check.
Midrange? Check.
Gets to the line (and makes them)? Check.
Go left or right? Check.

You can say all you want about the mistakes Pierce makes from time to time, but that type of offensive talent is not replacable because when a guy can score in THAT many ways, it makes that guy almost impossible to defend.

Back off him to defend against the drive, he will knock down the J.  Defend him close, he'll blow right by you.  Put a hand in his face? He'll shoot right over it.  Put a bigger dfefender on him, he'll blow by.  Put a smaller guys, he'll post you or shoot over you.  Put him to the line and he'll beat you there as well.

IMHO Pierce is still a top 5 offensive player in the league (if not, than definately top 10) not in terms of the number of points he produces, but just in terms of how complete his offensive game is.   How many other guy scan score in as many ways as he can?

* Durant
* Melo
* Kobe

This are the only definitive ones that come to my mind. 

Maybe you can throw Lebron in there now that he's improved his jump shot. Maybe Harden, Rudy Gay, Danny Granger? 

I think you'll be hard pressed to find 10 guys who have the all-round offensive versatility that Pierce has, and that's BEFORE you take into account his passig ability. 

Terry won us this game directly with the last 5 points his scored, but how about those two or three MASSIVE back-to-back baskets Pierce hit towards the end of the game?  The Hawks had gone up by 4 or 6 points and it looked like they were pulling away, and Pierce just took over.

Then that final three from WAY outside the line prior to the Terry three? 

Without Pierce there is no hope in hell we win a game like this.  He is to our offense what Bradley and KG are to our defense, and losing Pierce (in the short term) would hurt us a LOT more than losing Rondo...because scoring is the one thing we do the worst, and Pierce is the one dominant scorer we have.

TP... it should be pointed out that since Rondo went down, the only two SF's in this league outperforming Pierce are Durant and LeBron... and we are 14-4 since the ball started flowing through Pierce again (as it did pretty much his entire career until late 2009)

I agree with what you guys have to say about Paul Pierce.  He is a great player.  The problem with trading Rondo away for "potential" is that Paul Pierce won't be around for much longer. 

We'll need at least one elite level shot creator once the Captain's gone.  None of Avery Bradley, Courtney Lee, or Jeff Green fits that bill.  Rajon Rondo, however, does.  His ability to take over games will be sorely needed in the near future. 

Trading Rondo away while his trade value is at an all time low for a "potential star" could end up being a huge mistake.  It's not a risk I'm interested in seeing Danny take.  Rebuilding around him is the way to go. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

KG gives them an awful lot of flexibility still.  The guy is having an amazing season.

His impact on the team is underrated.  Even when Rondo was healthy, KG was still the best player on the team in my opinion.  Pierce 2nd.

Pierce wasn't good for most of the season, so disagree with that assessment. If people want to point fingers at Rondo for our struggles, they're very much underrating the negative impact Pierce had on this team through much of it too. Everything you can use to complain about Rondo, you can also apply to Pierce this year.

Utterly untrue.  Anybody who tries to argue against Pierce's impact has no clue what they are talking about.

Yes Pierce does make more mistakes than he used to, and yes he's missing more shots...but there is still not one single player on this team who makes more HUGE shots at critical times than Pierce does.

There is still not a single guy on this team outside of Pierce who you can just give the ball to, and they can create points.

Not only is Pierce the only guy on this team who can score in every possible way, he's one of the only guys in the LEAGUE.  Name me one aspect of Pierce's offensive game that he's not competent at?

Post game? Check.
Fadeaway? Check.
Attacks off the drible? Check.
Three pointers from anywhere? Check.
Midrange? Check.
Gets to the line (and makes them)? Check.
Go left or right? Check.

You can say all you want about the mistakes Pierce makes from time to time, but that type of offensive talent is not replacable because when a guy can score in THAT many ways, it makes that guy almost impossible to defend.

Back off him to defend against the drive, he will knock down the J.  Defend him close, he'll blow right by you.  Put a hand in his face? He'll shoot right over it.  Put a bigger dfefender on him, he'll blow by.  Put a smaller guys, he'll post you or shoot over you.  Put him to the line and he'll beat you there as well.

IMHO Pierce is still a top 5 offensive player in the league (if not, than definately top 10) not in terms of the number of points he produces, but just in terms of how complete his offensive game is.   How many other guy scan score in as many ways as he can?

* Durant
* Melo
* Kobe

This are the only definitive ones that come to my mind. 

Maybe you can throw Lebron in there now that he's improved his jump shot. Maybe Harden, Rudy Gay, Danny Granger? 

I think you'll be hard pressed to find 10 guys who have the all-round offensive versatility that Pierce has, and that's BEFORE you take into account his passig ability. 

Terry won us this game directly with the last 5 points his scored, but how about those two or three MASSIVE back-to-back baskets Pierce hit towards the end of the game?  The Hawks had gone up by 4 or 6 points and it looked like they were pulling away, and Pierce just took over.

Then that final three from WAY outside the line prior to the Terry three? 

Without Pierce there is no hope in hell we win a game like this.  He is to our offense what Bradley and KG are to our defense, and losing Pierce (in the short term) would hurt us a LOT more than losing Rondo...because scoring is the one thing we do the worst, and Pierce is the one dominant scorer we have.

You spent a lot of time typing stuff that has no relation to anything I said in my post.