Ideas to Trade Ray + Bass

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I think we just view Bass and Hansbrough's relative trade value very differently. 

Hansbrough has upside because he's only been in the league 2 seasons.  Bass has been in it for 6.  Years spent in the NBA mean a lot more in terms of development -- as a professional basketball player playing NBA basketball -- than age or years spent in college.

I think you're really wrong, though, about getting a player of Hansbrough's production for less then $3 million.  This off-season, for example, the Celtics got Wilcox for $3 million, which I think may have actually been a little bit below his market value.  Wilcox is not nearly as valuable a player as Hansbrough.  Glen Davis is getting paid $7 million a year, and he's not as good as Hansbrough.  Bass has similar value right now, with less upside, and he's probably going to get a 3-4 year deal at $7.5-8 million a year this off-season.

What skills do you anticipate Hansbrough developing?  He's a known quantity.  He's been playing the same way for years.

Wilcox, McBob, Reggie Evans, Kurt Thomas, Brandan Wright, Kenyon Martin, Lou Amundson, Mo Speights, Dante Cunningham, Nazr Mohammed, Aaron Gray: all were signed/acquired for around what Tyler makes.  A decent roleplaying big man does not have to be expensive. 

There's a reason why contracts like Baby's and Gooden's are viewed with such disdain. 
 

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I think we just view Bass and Hansbrough's relative trade value very differently. 

Hansbrough has upside because he's only been in the league 2 seasons.  Bass has been in it for 6.  Years spent in the NBA mean a lot more in terms of development -- as a professional basketball player playing NBA basketball -- than age or years spent in college.

I think you're really wrong, though, about getting a player of Hansbrough's production for less then $3 million.  This off-season, for example, the Celtics got Wilcox for $3 million, which I think may have actually been a little bit below his market value.  Wilcox is not nearly as valuable a player as Hansbrough.  Glen Davis is getting paid $7 million a year, and he's not as good as Hansbrough.  Bass has similar value right now, with less upside, and he's probably going to get a 3-4 year deal at $7.5-8 million a year this off-season.

What skills do you anticipate Hansbrough developing?  He's a known quantity.  He's been playing the same way for years.

Wilcox, McBob, Reggie Evans, Kurt Thomas, Brandan Wright, Kenyon Martin, Lou Amundson, Mo Speights, Dante Cunningham, Nazr Mohammed, Aaron Gray: all were signed/acquired for around what Tyler makes.  A decent roleplaying big man does not have to be expensive. 

There's a reason why contracts like Baby's and Gooden's are viewed with such disdain. 
 

None of the players you mentioned are as good as Hansbrough or Bass.

There's a lot of hate about Gooden's contract, but I think he's shown this season filling in for Bogut that he's a very talented player.

Hansbrough has shown flashes of an ability score in high volumes (had stretches last year where he was scoring 20-25 pts a game), and I think it's reasonable to expect that his jumper could gradually become more and more consistent.  Players like Ty add 3 point range frequently, even later in their careers. 

I don't think Ty is ever going to be a star, but considering he's averaged 17.2 pts and 8.6 reb per 36 minutes over the course of his 2 and a half season career, expecting that he could one day be a scoring PF along the lines of Carl Landry doesn't seem unreasonable. 

He just needs to improve his shooting percentages -- which, like Bass, might happen if he simply gets to play with a point guard who can actually pass.

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I think we just view Bass and Hansbrough's relative trade value very differently. 

Hansbrough has upside because he's only been in the league 2 seasons.  Bass has been in it for 6.  Years spent in the NBA mean a lot more in terms of development -- as a professional basketball player playing NBA basketball -- than age or years spent in college.

I think you're really wrong, though, about getting a player of Hansbrough's production for less then $3 million.  This off-season, for example, the Celtics got Wilcox for $3 million, which I think may have actually been a little bit below his market value.  Wilcox is not nearly as valuable a player as Hansbrough.  Glen Davis is getting paid $7 million a year, and he's not as good as Hansbrough.  Bass has similar value right now, with less upside, and he's probably going to get a 3-4 year deal at $7.5-8 million a year this off-season.

What skills do you anticipate Hansbrough developing?  He's a known quantity.  He's been playing the same way for years.

Wilcox, McBob, Reggie Evans, Kurt Thomas, Brandan Wright, Kenyon Martin, Lou Amundson, Mo Speights, Dante Cunningham, Nazr Mohammed, Aaron Gray: all were signed/acquired for around what Tyler makes.  A decent roleplaying big man does not have to be expensive. 

There's a reason why contracts like Baby's and Gooden's are viewed with such disdain. 
 

None of the players you mentioned are as good as Hansbrough or Bass.

There's a lot of hate about Gooden's contract, but I think he's shown this season filling in for Bogut that he's a very talented player.

Hansbrough has shown flashes of an ability score in high volumes (had stretches last year where he was scoring 20-25 pts a game), and I think it's reasonable to expect that his jumper could gradually become more and more consistent.  Players like Ty add 3 point range frequently, even later in their careers. 

I don't think Ty is ever going to be a star, but considering he's averaged 17.2 pts and 8.6 reb per 36 minutes over the course of his 2 and a half season career, expecting that he could one day be a scoring PF along the lines of Carl Landry doesn't seem unreasonable. 

He just needs to improve his shooting percentages -- which, like Bass, might happen if he simply gets to play with a point guard who can actually pass.

1. How is Ty likely to add 3-point range, especially when he can't yet hit a mid-range jumper consistently?  How does he have more upside in this area than Bass?

2. You bring up Landry as potential comparison for prolific scoring, but Landry, also an "older" young player, was an efficiency monster in his first 2.5 seasons, putting up big points per minute averages on .60+TS%.  Hansbrough is on the opposite end of the spectrum, averaging a weak .50TS% over his first 2.5 seasons.  He's only been reaching high point totals through extraordinary usage rates unjustified by the results.  It certainly seems unreasonable to project that Hansbrough will approximate Landry with more seasoning when the equally aged & NBA experienced Landry was able to score efficiently from day 1.

3. Bass' true shooting % is actually down this year, playing alongside a true PG. He bested Hansbrough playing with the likes of Nelson and Duhon last year. 

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I think we just view Bass and Hansbrough's relative trade value very differently. 

Hansbrough has upside because he's only been in the league 2 seasons.  Bass has been in it for 6.  Years spent in the NBA mean a lot more in terms of development -- as a professional basketball player playing NBA basketball -- than age or years spent in college.

I think you're really wrong, though, about getting a player of Hansbrough's production for less then $3 million.  This off-season, for example, the Celtics got Wilcox for $3 million, which I think may have actually been a little bit below his market value.  Wilcox is not nearly as valuable a player as Hansbrough.  Glen Davis is getting paid $7 million a year, and he's not as good as Hansbrough.  Bass has similar value right now, with less upside, and he's probably going to get a 3-4 year deal at $7.5-8 million a year this off-season.

What skills do you anticipate Hansbrough developing?  He's a known quantity.  He's been playing the same way for years.

Wilcox, McBob, Reggie Evans, Kurt Thomas, Brandan Wright, Kenyon Martin, Lou Amundson, Mo Speights, Dante Cunningham, Nazr Mohammed, Aaron Gray: all were signed/acquired for around what Tyler makes.  A decent roleplaying big man does not have to be expensive. 

There's a reason why contracts like Baby's and Gooden's are viewed with such disdain. 
 

None of the players you mentioned are as good as Hansbrough or Bass.

There's a lot of hate about Gooden's contract, but I think he's shown this season filling in for Bogut that he's a very talented player.

Hansbrough has shown flashes of an ability score in high volumes (had stretches last year where he was scoring 20-25 pts a game), and I think it's reasonable to expect that his jumper could gradually become more and more consistent.  Players like Ty add 3 point range frequently, even later in their careers. 

I don't think Ty is ever going to be a star, but considering he's averaged 17.2 pts and 8.6 reb per 36 minutes over the course of his 2 and a half season career, expecting that he could one day be a scoring PF along the lines of Carl Landry doesn't seem unreasonable. 

He just needs to improve his shooting percentages -- which, like Bass, might happen if he simply gets to play with a point guard who can actually pass.

1. How is Ty likely to add 3-point range, especially when he can't yet hit a mid-range jumper consistently?  How does he have more upside in this area than Bass?

2. You bring up Landry as potential comparison for prolific scoring, but Landry, also an "older" young player, was an efficiency monster in his first 2.5 seasons, putting up big points per minute averages on .60+TS%.  Hansbrough is on the opposite end of the spectrum, averaging a weak .50TS% over his first 2.5 seasons.  He's only been reaching high point totals through extraordinary usage rates unjustified by the results.  It certainly seems unreasonable to project that Hansbrough will approximate Landry with more seasoning when the equally aged & NBA experienced Landry was able to score efficiently from day 1.

3. Bass' true shooting % is actually down this year, playing alongside a true PG. He bested Hansbrough playing with the likes of Nelson and Duhon last year. 

You may be right -- perhaps Ty is never going to be anything more than he is now.  But I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the likelihood of that.