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Re: What do you prefer? Blow it up or Re-tool around Rondo?
« Reply #60 on: February 24, 2012, 10:21:36 PM »

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Luck certainly plays a role, but I think you could make the case that Chicago didn't exactly pick well or manage their team all that well during that time, especially earlier in the decade. 

Also, three of those players ended up being core pieces on a contending team (Deng, Noah, Rose).

Without a doubt Chicago could have done some things better, but I disagree that they didn't draft well.  Curry and Williams were busts, but Chandler and Noah are both among the better centers in the league right now. Rose is obviously a superstar. Deng a near All-Star, Hinrich and Gordon have both been good players, and so on. I wouldn't, for example, expect Danny Ainge to have made better picks per se.

Point being, yeah, maybe another team does a better job, but 10+ years and counting in a major market with 10 lottery picks should still speak to how difficult it is to start over from scratch...

Re: What do you prefer? Blow it up or Re-tool around Rondo?
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2012, 06:38:13 AM »

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Trade Rondo.

Now.

Why does it have to be now instead of July or January 2013?
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Re: What do you prefer? Blow it up or Re-tool around Rondo?
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2012, 06:40:52 AM »

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Blow it up.

Rebuild around E'Twaun Moore.

Re: What do you prefer? Blow it up or Re-tool around Rondo?
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2012, 01:15:59 PM »

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The chicago bulls are a perfect example that lottery picks dont exactly = allstar talent..if there was a scientific way to build a contendor through the draft, the bobcats, raptors etc. would be surefire contendors by now...and Ainge knows that it needs to be a combination of Free agency/the draft

fact is, we could trade rondo for a lottery pick and that player could be a total bust. theres very few 'sure" things in the nba...but I dont get why everyone thinks starting from scratch is the best idea???

should we have Dumped Paul Pierce in the 00's because our team had no hope and we wouldnt contend until he was in his 30s?? No, because Ainge understood that Allstars dont grow on trees, and you need to start somewhere...you need a BUILDING BLOCK..

does KG want to come here(or even ray) if we dont have Paul Pierce in place?? probably not. and I sense unless Ainge can get a surefire superstar for Rondo he feels the same.

Ainge's plan #1 is going to try and find that #1 star to go next to rondo....maybe in a couple years if he has been unsuccessful in finding one he trades rondo...but theres several ways this offseason could play out, or 2013's which is another strong one. plus our draft picks

say Eric Gordon is unhappy in N.O. next year(he has stated he has no desire to stay there) Ainge trades young talent to get him, and then pursues Josh Smith in 2013, or say   

Re: What do you prefer? Blow it up or Re-tool around Rondo?
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2012, 01:54:28 PM »

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The chicago bulls are a perfect example that lottery picks dont exactly = allstar talent..if there was a scientific way to build a contendor through the draft, the bobcats, raptors etc. would be surefire contendors by now...and Ainge knows that it needs to be a combination of Free agency/the draft

fact is, we could trade rondo for a lottery pick and that player could be a total bust. theres very few 'sure" things in the nba...but I dont get why everyone thinks starting from scratch is the best idea???

should we have Dumped Paul Pierce in the 00's because our team had no hope and we wouldnt contend until he was in his 30s?? No, because Ainge understood that Allstars dont grow on trees, and you need to start somewhere...you need a BUILDING BLOCK..

does KG want to come here(or even ray) if we dont have Paul Pierce in place?? probably not. and I sense unless Ainge can get a surefire superstar for Rondo he feels the same.

Ainge's plan #1 is going to try and find that #1 star to go next to rondo....maybe in a couple years if he has been unsuccessful in finding one he trades rondo...but theres several ways this offseason could play out, or 2013's which is another strong one. plus our draft picks

say Eric Gordon is unhappy in N.O. next year(he has stated he has no desire to stay there) Ainge trades young talent to get him, and then pursues Josh Smith in 2013, or say   


Yes, yes, yes!

Why trade an all-star for a maybe?  Sure that "maybe" might turn out to be a super-star or another all-star, but it could turn out to be a Kwame Brown.  No thanks.  If we aren't bringing in a already proven super-star for Rondo (which is very unlikey to happen), no thanks.

Also, as plenty of other astute people here have said, there is likely very little to gain, by trading any of the Big 3 this season.  They are just not going to bring in anything that will substaintially help the rebuilding process.  Better to just ride it out.

We will have plenty of time, and options, to rebuild with this summer.

Re: What do you prefer? Blow it up or Re-tool around Rondo?
« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2012, 05:51:11 PM »

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the last time Rondo was on a team full of mediocre players, Doc Rivers had to have a private talk with him and tell him that his teammates hated him.  If you made a mistake on the floor, you got a scowl from Rondo.



I don't remember this at all. His team mates hated him?

im gonna try and find a link, but it had been talked about a lot in 2008
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Re: What do you prefer? Blow it up or Re-tool around Rondo?
« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2012, 05:54:14 PM »

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the last time Rondo was on a team full of mediocre players, Doc Rivers had to have a private talk with him and tell him that his teammates hated him.  If you made a mistake on the floor, you got a scowl from Rondo.



I don't remember this at all. His team mates hated him?

im gonna try and find a link, but it had been talked about a lot in 2008

Two seasons ago, before the banners and the plaudits and applause, when Rondo was in charge of a team that won just 24 games, he'd throw a no-look bullet and when it was dropped out of bounds he'd roll his eyes in exasperation. If he set up a shooter for the open jumper and it clanged off the rim, the shooter was subjected to the Rondo stare, a look steeped in disdain and aggravation. Rivers hauled his supposed floor leader into his office and asked him, "Do you know your teammates hate playing with you?" 

http://www.celticslife.com/2011/12/relax-on-rajon-rondos-attitude.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=macmullan_jackie&page=Rondo-090423
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