Josh Smith should be priority number 1

[wdleehi]

He may be our only choice...I think as Boston fans some of us may be too picky.

Remember - Josh Smith WANTS to come play with Rondo...no one else WANTS to play with him or come to Boston.

Get the man here...I'd rather pay someone who WANTS to be here, rather than beg some of these other folks to come here.

He has a very good defensive rtg..94..Dwight Howard, in contrast, has a 92 Drtg.

The man isn't perfect, but he's young and can improve. Get him here with Doc, and he will grow.

That is about the worst excuse to overpay a player when trying to rebuild. This is how teams get stuck in NBA limbo.

[GreenFaith1819]

He may be our only choice...I think as Boston fans some of us may be too picky.

Remember - Josh Smith WANTS to come play with Rondo...no one else WANTS to play with him or come to Boston.

  The "nobody wants to play with Rondo" is a claim that you hear on the blog from people who want to get rid of Rondo, but that's about the extent of it.

Bball - I think what C's fans have said about the issue of players wanting to come here has a lot of merit....CP3 stated "He wants no part of Boston"...the opportunity to come play with 3 future HOFers...but "wants no part of it."...he chooses to instead go play with the Clips...even though talented, will NOT get past the Lakers, OKC or even DAL in a seven game series.

Dwight Howard? Boston's not even on his mind. I am holding out hope that even Josh Smith could get him here.

Kevin Love? I'd love him in Green, but I'd be shocked if he turns down Ricky Rubio and Minny.

Could someone please give me a link or a rumor or something about a superstar "Wanting" to come play in Boston?

This is the "New NBA"....Danny has his hands full. He will have to be as creative in getting players here as he was in the Summer of 07.

That's why I'd take a hard look at Josh Smith, if I were Danny.

The sad thing is that Celtic's tradition is not enough to draw today's players here anymore.

That is Old School.

[KGs Knee]

YES YES YES....

this thread is on point!

you first get J SMOOVE and then you enter Dwight's head. Josh and D12 have been friends much longer than him and deron williams.

what team has space to pay 2 max contracts like we will this summer? even if one did, dwight and deron would not be surrounded with the talent that they would be here.

You'd probably have to move KG and some of our picks and young players for J Smith. DO IT

If this next part was possible it would put us over the top to attract a BIG free agent (AKA DWIGHT). Trade Paul Pierce and Ray before the deadline to Memphis for Rudy Gay. Memphis fell one game short last year without Gay and adding Ray AND Pierce would make them SERIOUS contenders in the West.

Our young core going into the summer would be...

Rajon Rondo
Josh Smith
Rudy Gay

Resign Jeff Green and Brandon Bass this summer. Also give offer Ray a 3 year deal and see if he will comeback.

That should be enough to lure dwight here...

Then sign back some of the role players we have now.

The C's 2012-13 Opening night lineup could look like this...

PG Rajon Rondo
SG Ray Allen
SF Rudy Gay
PF Josh Smith
C Dwight Howard
----------
Bench
F J. Green
F B. Bass
F M. Peitrus
G K. Dooling
G M. Daniels

 

that team would be filthy

And also impossible.  Even if the slasry cap goes up next year, I doubt it will be more than $60mil.  Here's next year's listed salaries:

Gay-$16.5m
Smith-13.2m
Rondo-$11m

That's $40.7m right there, add in cap holds for 8 empty roster spaces ($4m) and the total goes to $44.7m, leaving us only 15.3m to sign Howard.  He may take a discount to play, but I doubt he takes that much of a discount.

And just say, Howard was willing to take that big of a discount, all we would have left to fill out the roster would be vet min deals.  No way Green or Bass are playing for the vet min.  The bench lineup would NEVER happen.

This ain't happening folks.

[GreenFaith1819]

He may be our only choice...I think as Boston fans some of us may be too picky.

Remember - Josh Smith WANTS to come play with Rondo...no one else WANTS to play with him or come to Boston.

Get the man here...I'd rather pay someone who WANTS to be here, rather than beg some of these other folks to come here.

He has a very good defensive rtg..94..Dwight Howard, in contrast, has a 92 Drtg.

The man isn't perfect, but he's young and can improve. Get him here with Doc, and he will grow.

That is about the worst excuse to overpay a player when trying to rebuild. This is how teams get stuck in NBA limbo.

But Wd - what other choice is out there? I'm hoping for a miracle like the next man.

But DWill, Lebron, Bosh, Melo, etc - they've set in motion the "New NBA."

I bet if Josh is truly serious about coming here like he's stated and playing with Rondo...and if he's truly as close a friend to Dwight as reported - then why couldn't he persuade Dwight to come here, too?

Isn't this what Lebron and Bosh did? It is reported that they conversed for a few yrs about eventually playing together.

Perhaps those two could take a paycut (Like Lebron, Wade and Bosh reportedly did)..so the salaries could work in Boston? I'm just guessing here.

Someone who's a numbers wiz can figure out those particulars if they'd like.

We just can't be too picky..even though we will have the ability to sign a max near year, the money alone won't convince these players to come here.

[2short]

He may be our only choice...I think as Boston fans some of us may be too picky.

Remember - Josh Smith WANTS to come play with Rondo...no one else WANTS to play with him or come to Boston.

  The "nobody wants to play with Rondo" is a claim that you hear on the blog from people who want to get rid of Rondo, but that's about the extent of it.

yeah, rondo had shaq looking like an all star last year, any really good pg is going to make all his teammates look that much better
I can see going after josh smith but no way as priority #1 with howard, love names out there
we are going to have big time cap space with kg & ray's expiring deals, green is not on the books, danny has done a very good job of having free spending money for free agents , i seriously doubt he is going to be paying smith crazy money

[GreenFaith1819]

He may be our only choice...I think as Boston fans some of us may be too picky.

Remember - Josh Smith WANTS to come play with Rondo...no one else WANTS to play with him or come to Boston.

  The "nobody wants to play with Rondo" is a claim that you hear on the blog from people who want to get rid of Rondo, but that's about the extent of it.

yeah, rondo had shaq looking like an all star last year, any really good pg is going to make all his teammates look that much better
I can see going after josh smith but no way as priority #1 with howard, love names out there
we are going to have big time cap space with kg & ray's expiring deals, green is not on the books, danny has done a very good job of having free spending money for free agents , i seriously doubt he is going to be paying smith crazy money

You are right, 2short...and Rondo did make Shaq look good last year...but my question is why isn't that enough to draw Dwight here alone?

Only Josh Smith, so far, has expressed a desire to come here.

For me, I believe that we can build around Rondo...but evidently none of the Superstars believe that.

I've been wrong before...I hope I'm wrong again.

[Evantime34]

The Celtics need to transition into a team suited for Rondo's style. Speed up the tempo with young guys that can create turnovers.

He can be penciled in for 15-17 ppg 8-10 rpg with 1-2 blocks, but more importantly he fits perfectly with Rondo. Also this year he is taking less threes than he did last year.

[Marcus13]

Eww.  I'll pass.  Extremely inefficient player - I would hate to have him in a Celtics uniform for our next generation

[esel1000]

The Celtics need to transition into a team suited for Rondo's style. Speed up the tempo with young guys that can create turnovers.

He can be penciled in for 15-17 ppg 8-10 rpg with 1-2 blocks, but more importantly he fits perfectly with Rondo. Also this year he is taking less threes than he did last year.

Thats what ive been saying, under doc and with rondo he'd flourish. His stats would go up here

[southshorematt]

YES YES YES....

this thread is on point!

you first get J SMOOVE and then you enter Dwight's head. Josh and D12 have been friends much longer than him and deron williams.

what team has space to pay 2 max contracts like we will this summer? even if one did, dwight and deron would not be surrounded with the talent that they would be here.

You'd probably have to move KG and some of our picks and young players for J Smith. DO IT

If this next part was possible it would put us over the top to attract a BIG free agent (AKA DWIGHT). Trade Paul Pierce and Ray before the deadline to Memphis for Rudy Gay. Memphis fell one game short last year without Gay and adding Ray AND Pierce would make them SERIOUS contenders in the West.

Our young core going into the summer would be...

Rajon Rondo
Josh Smith
Rudy Gay

Resign Jeff Green and Brandon Bass this summer. Also give offer Ray a 3 year deal and see if he will comeback.

That should be enough to lure dwight here...

Then sign back some of the role players we have now.

The C's 2012-13 Opening night lineup could look like this...

PG Rajon Rondo
SG Ray Allen
SF Rudy Gay
PF Josh Smith
C Dwight Howard
----------
Bench
F J. Green
F B. Bass
F M. Peitrus
G K. Dooling
G M. Daniels

 

that team would be filthy

And also impossible.  Even if the slasry cap goes up next year, I doubt it will be more than $60mil.  Here's next year's listed salaries:

Gay-$16.5m
Smith-13.2m
Rondo-$11m

That's $40.7m right there, add in cap holds for 8 empty roster spaces ($4m) and the total goes to $44.7m, leaving us only 15.3m to sign Howard.  He may take a discount to play, but I doubt he takes that much of a discount.

And just say, Howard was willing to take that big of a discount, all we would have left to fill out the roster would be vet min deals.  No way Green or Bass are playing for the vet min.  The bench lineup would NEVER happen.

This ain't happening folks.

The Celtics salary hit this year is $83,345,779 so where do you get that 60M figure?

[KGs Knee]

YES YES YES....

this thread is on point!

you first get J SMOOVE and then you enter Dwight's head. Josh and D12 have been friends much longer than him and deron williams.

what team has space to pay 2 max contracts like we will this summer? even if one did, dwight and deron would not be surrounded with the talent that they would be here.

You'd probably have to move KG and some of our picks and young players for J Smith. DO IT

If this next part was possible it would put us over the top to attract a BIG free agent (AKA DWIGHT). Trade Paul Pierce and Ray before the deadline to Memphis for Rudy Gay. Memphis fell one game short last year without Gay and adding Ray AND Pierce would make them SERIOUS contenders in the West.

Our young core going into the summer would be...

Rajon Rondo
Josh Smith
Rudy Gay

Resign Jeff Green and Brandon Bass this summer. Also give offer Ray a 3 year deal and see if he will comeback.

That should be enough to lure dwight here...

Then sign back some of the role players we have now.

The C's 2012-13 Opening night lineup could look like this...

PG Rajon Rondo
SG Ray Allen
SF Rudy Gay
PF Josh Smith
C Dwight Howard
----------
Bench
F J. Green
F B. Bass
F M. Peitrus
G K. Dooling
G M. Daniels

 

that team would be filthy

And also impossible.  Even if the slasry cap goes up next year, I doubt it will be more than $60mil.  Here's next year's listed salaries:

Gay-$16.5m
Smith-13.2m
Rondo-$11m

That's $40.7m right there, add in cap holds for 8 empty roster spaces ($4m) and the total goes to $44.7m, leaving us only 15.3m to sign Howard.  He may take a discount to play, but I doubt he takes that much of a discount.

And just say, Howard was willing to take that big of a discount, all we would have left to fill out the roster would be vet min deals.  No way Green or Bass are playing for the vet min.  The bench lineup would NEVER happen.

This ain't happening folks.

The Celtics salary hit this year is $83,345,779 so where do you get that 60M figure?

This years' cap is $58m (approx.), which was the same as last years.  This figure is a "soft" cap that can be exceeded through various exceptions.  When signing other teams free-agents though, you can not exceed this "soft" cap to do so.

Here's a link explaining how the cap works:

http://www.nba.com/.element/mp3/2.0/sect/podcastmp3/PDF/CBA101.pdf  (see section E for an explanation of how cap exceptions work)

[BballTim]

He may be our only choice...I think as Boston fans some of us may be too picky.

Remember - Josh Smith WANTS to come play with Rondo...no one else WANTS to play with him or come to Boston.

  The "nobody wants to play with Rondo" is a claim that you hear on the blog from people who want to get rid of Rondo, but that's about the extent of it.

Bball - I think what C's fans have said about the issue of players wanting to come here has a lot of merit....CP3 stated "He wants no part of Boston"...the opportunity to come play with 3 future HOFers...but "wants no part of it."...he chooses to instead go play with the Clips...even though talented, will NOT get past the Lakers, OKC or even DAL in a seven game series.

Dwight Howard? Boston's not even on his mind. I am holding out hope that even Josh Smith could get him here.

Kevin Love? I'd love him in Green, but I'd be shocked if he turns down Ricky Rubio and Minny.

Could someone please give me a link or a rumor or something about a superstar "Wanting" to come play in Boston?

  First of all there's a big difference between a player wanting to go to NY or LA and a player not wanting to play with Rondo. Secondly, I can pretty much guarantee you couldn't find any links of superstars wanting to come to Boston any time before Ray and KG did. In fact, you could easily find links of KG refusing to come here.

[lightspeed5]

Bball - I think what C's fans have said about the issue of players wanting to come here has a lot of merit....CP3 stated "He wants no part of Boston"...the opportunity to come play with 3 future HOFers...but "wants no part of it."...he chooses to instead go play with the Clips...even though talented, will NOT get past the Lakers, OKC or even DAL in a seven game series.

Dwight Howard? Boston's not even on his mind. I am holding out hope that even Josh Smith could get him here.

Kevin Love? I'd love him in Green, but I'd be shocked if he turns down Ricky Rubio and Minny.

Could someone please give me a link or a rumor or something about a superstar "Wanting" to come play in Boston?

This is the "New NBA"....Danny has his hands full. He will have to be as creative in getting players here as he was in the Summer of 07.

That's why I'd take a hard look at Josh Smith, if I were Danny.

The sad thing is that Celtic's tradition is not enough to draw today's players here anymore.

That is Old School.

adidas pays maximum incentives for superstars going to large markets of LA and NY... thats why dwight and cp3 only consider those markets. its a shame really.

[mahonedog88]

The most "realistic" idea (and I put that in quotes because its still far from happening and most likely wont happen anyway) that I see could happen is getting another big 3 in Rondo, Rudy Gay, and Josh Smith.  Trade Pierce for Rudy straight up, then trade both expiring KG and Ray Allen contracts to Atlanta for Josh Smith. 

Convince Atlanta they should do this deal because they get players back that could still make them a playoff team, granted itd be a 6, 7, 8 seed but a playoff team none of the less.  Then you convince them that having these two expiring contracts allows for them to sign a max player next year.

Both teams throw in other smaller contracts to make the deal work.

[lepoooo]

I really don't get all those trade threads regarding Smith.

He is a hell of a defender but he has some flaws offensively, poor shooter, undersized PF, oversized 3.

Beside, I'm not sure that committing so much money on a player who is nothing close to a real star is the good approach now.

People around here seem to be unable to accept the fact that the team is gonna suck. I would even say should suck, because that's the way you acquire picks/young players/trade assets.

Rondo/Gay/Smith or Rondo/Smith/Howard is not enough to challenge the Heats or Bulls of the league. And anyway, DH probably doesn't want to play in Boston, because there are other franchises with better upcoming rosters able to land him (Clippers, Dallas with D-Will for example).

It's up to you ppl to formulate such crazy trade ideas (Pierce for Smith is not gonna happen), but I truly hope DA is not having a short-term vision as many of the ppl around this blog.