This is the roster for 2012/13

[PosImpos]

Sorry but I just vomitted in my mouth.

If KG and Ray will stay on the cheap how can that hurt this team.    

What's one thing we've learned about Doc?

If you give him vets, he plays vets!

When we're rebuilding, we don't need veteran players getting 20-30 minutes a night trying to fight for wins.  We need young players working the kinks out of their games and trying new things every night, getting better while LOSING so that we get high draft picks.


Let Ray go somewhere else to finish his career so he has a shot at a championship.  Let KG do the same, if he wants.

A team only gets stuck in mediocrity when they don't draft well.

Yeah, okay . . . the Houston Rockets beg to differ.

[CelticG1]

This whole tanking thing is so stupid and overrated what team has really benefitted that much from it?

Id rather be fighting for playoff seed than hoping to get lucky in the draft and . People make it sound so easy, And its.not.

I wouldn't trade those playoff teams with Pierce for tanking and throwing a season.

[PosImpos]

This whole tanking thing is so stupid and overrated what team has really benefitted that much from it?

Do me a favor and take a look at the last 30 years of NBA championships.  Check out at what point in the draft their best player was drafted.


Also, check out the best young teams in the league right now.  What do they all have in common?


Thunder -- Westbrook, Harden, Durant -- all top 5 picks
Clippers -- Griffin -- #1 pick.  Traded other players taken in the lottery for Chris Paul.
Bulls -- Rose #1, Noah #9, Deng #7
Hawks -- they were awful until they drafted Horford #3
Timberwolves -- Rubio #5, Love #5
Sixers -- Turner #2, Iggy #9, Hawes #10

You don't build a talented young team by drafting 11-20 every year.

It's definitely possible to find really good players in the late lottery to the middle of the first round, but the chances are much lower.  You could draft as well as possible and end up like the Houston Rockets.  The Rockets would actually be better off if Morey would completely miss in a draft or two so they'd sink to the bottom of the West and actually get to draft high for once.



Also, if you tank by putting young players with potential in starting roles and force them to develop / put up career numbers, you can increase their trade value greatly.  There will always be a GM willing to gamble that a player putting up numbers on a bad team is actually as good as their production.

[Celtics18]

This whole tanking thing is so stupid and overrated what team has really benefitted that much from it?

Do me a favor and take a look at the last 30 years of NBA championships.  Check out at what point in the draft their best player was drafted.


Also, check out the best young teams in the league right now.  What do they all have in common?


Thunder -- Westbrook, Harden, Durant -- all top 5 picks
Clippers -- Griffin -- #1 pick.  Traded other players taken in the lottery for Chris Paul.
Bulls -- Rose #1, Noah #9, Deng #7
Hawks -- they were awful until they drafted Horford #3
Timberwolves -- Rubio #5, Love #5
Sixers -- Turner #2, Iggy #9, Hawes #10

You don't build a talented young team by drafting 11-20 every year.

It's definitely possible to find really good players in the late lottery to the middle of the first round, but the chances are much lower.  You could draft as well as possible and end up like the Houston Rockets.  The Rockets would actually be better off if Morey would completely miss in a draft or two so they'd sink to the bottom of the West and actually get to draft high for once.



Also, if you tank by putting young players with potential in starting roles and force them to develop / put up career numbers, you can increase their trade value greatly.  There will always be a GM willing to gamble that a player putting up numbers on a bad team is actually as good as their production.

My big issue with tanking is that even if you need a high draft pick somewhere along the way, there's no need to force or to rush the issue.  A rebuilding team will naturally run into a season where they are out of the playoffs.  Taking a team that has won two Eastern conference championships and one NBA title in the past four years and consistently been one of the best teams in the league and blowing it up to jump start the rebuilding process doesn't make any sense to me.

You act like if we don't tank immediately, all hope for the future is lost.  I disagree with that premise and think it would be a real disservice to the fans and the players on the team to not give them one last chance to do something special together.   

[PosImpos]

You act like if we don't tank immediately, all hope for the future is lost.  I disagree with that premise and think it would be a real disservice to the fans and the players on the team to not give them one last chance to do something special together.  

The future isn't lost if you don't tank immediately . . . it's just put off for another season.

What kind of "something special" are you talking about?  Making the playoffs again and maybe winning a playoff series?  I can understand how for some people, that's an exciting prospect, but it doesn't really get me going.  

For me, I want to see this team return to elite contender status sooner rather than later and it's my strong belief that in today's NBA the most reliable method to do that, if you aren't a big market / warm weather city, is to rebuild through the draft -- specifically the high lottery.

In short, for me every year that the team isn't moving closer to another championship is a wasted season.  Now that the window is shut for the Big 3 + Rondo era Celtics, in my mind the only way to move closer to a championship is to tank while developing our young players as much as possible, and try to land the next Celtics franchise superstar.

[CelticG1]

This whole tanking thing is so stupid and overrated what team has really benefitted that much from it?

Do me a favor and take a look at the last 30 years of NBA championships.  Check out at what point in the draft their best player was drafted.


Also, check out the best young teams in the league right now.  What do they all have in common?


Thunder -- Westbrook, Harden, Durant -- all top 5 picks
Clippers -- Griffin -- #1 pick.  Traded other players taken in the lottery for Chris Paul.
Bulls -- Rose #1, Noah #9, Deng #7
Hawks -- they were awful until they drafted Horford #3
Timberwolves -- Rubio #5, Love #5
Sixers -- Turner #2, Iggy #9, Hawes #10

You don't build a talented young team by drafting 11-20 every year.

It's definitely possible to find really good players in the late lottery to the middle of the first round, but the chances are much lower.  You could draft as well as possible and end up like the Houston Rockets.  The Rockets would actually be better off if Morey would completely miss in a draft or two so they'd sink to the bottom of the West and actually get to draft high for once.



Also, if you tank by putting young players with potential in starting roles and force them to develop / put up career numbers, you can increase their trade value greatly.  There will always be a GM willing to gamble that a player putting up numbers on a bad team is actually as good as their production.

What the hell have those teams done? The clippers have sucked for 200 years. The Thunder got lucky and didnt get the number one pick and they sucked for 20 years. What its your argument that those teams have sucked forever and now they are relevant? Out of all those teams none have even made the finals.

easy for you to say tank and get a stud when did you start following this team 07? Its not that easy. Plenty more examples of busts than studs.

[Celtics18]

You act like if we don't tank immediately, all hope for the future is lost.  I disagree with that premise and think it would be a real disservice to the fans and the players on the team to not give them one last chance to do something special together.  

The future isn't lost if you don't tank immediately . . . it's just put off for another season.

What kind of "something special" are you talking about?  Making the playoffs again and maybe winning a playoff series?  I can understand how for some people, that's an exciting prospect, but it doesn't really get me going.  

For me, I want to see this team return to elite contender status sooner rather than later and it's my strong belief that in today's NBA the most reliable method to do that, if you aren't a big market / warm weather city, is to rebuild through the draft -- specifically the high lottery.

In short, for me every year that the team isn't moving closer to another championship is a wasted season.  Now that the window is shut for the Big 3 + Rondo era Celtics, in my mind the only way to move closer to a championship is to tank while developing our young players as much as possible, and try to land the next Celtics franchise superstar.

I guess we just have a completely different outlook on this team and this season.  We all know that championships are really hard to come by for any team.  I include this year's Heat, Bulls, and Thunder in that.  Even if you gave each of those teams even odds to win a title and gave no other team any odds to win it all, each team would have a 33% chance at a title.  If you weighted it a little more in Miami's favor, things look even bleaker for Bulls and Thunder fans.

Having said that, I don't give the Celtics a zero percentage chance at a title this year, but I admit that it's slim.  It always is, even for the front runners. 

My goals current goal for this team is to make the playoffs and secondarily to get a shot at the Miami Heat in the post-season.  Obviously, most experts would favor the Heat in a seven game series, as well they should.  I just want to see us take a shot at them.  I think that we can beat them if we get in a rhythm at the right time and their big stars start to feel the pressure.  If that were to happen, it would be a wildly successful season for me even if we didn't go on to hang banner #18.  Of course, at that point I'd likely revise my expectations.

Sure, maybe my expectations are slightly unrealistic, but other than that I just want to see them put a stretch together where they play some really good basketball.  Based on what I've seen in the last couple of games, I don't think it's unrealistic to expect that this may be coming. 

You can all call for blowing it up and rushing into the next phase.  Personally, I'll give this special team a little more time to ball together.

I think it really is to each his own on this one.

[PosImpos]

This whole tanking thing is so stupid and overrated what team has really benefitted that much from it?

Do me a favor and take a look at the last 30 years of NBA championships.  Check out at what point in the draft their best player was drafted.


Also, check out the best young teams in the league right now.  What do they all have in common?


Thunder -- Westbrook, Harden, Durant -- all top 5 picks
Clippers -- Griffin -- #1 pick.  Traded other players taken in the lottery for Chris Paul.
Bulls -- Rose #1, Noah #9, Deng #7
Hawks -- they were awful until they drafted Horford #3
Timberwolves -- Rubio #5, Love #5
Sixers -- Turner #2, Iggy #9, Hawes #10

You don't build a talented young team by drafting 11-20 every year.

It's definitely possible to find really good players in the late lottery to the middle of the first round, but the chances are much lower.  You could draft as well as possible and end up like the Houston Rockets.  The Rockets would actually be better off if Morey would completely miss in a draft or two so they'd sink to the bottom of the West and actually get to draft high for once.



Also, if you tank by putting young players with potential in starting roles and force them to develop / put up career numbers, you can increase their trade value greatly.  There will always be a GM willing to gamble that a player putting up numbers on a bad team is actually as good as their production.

What the hell have those teams done? The clippers have sucked for 200 years. The Thunder got lucky and didnt get the number one pick and they sucked for 20 years. What its your argument that those teams have sucked forever and now they are relevant? Out of all those teams none have even made the finals.

All of those teams are in a position to compete for a title, or at least be very competitive in the playoffs, for years to come.

[PosImpos]

I think it really is to each his own on this one.

Indeed.  It's all about how you define a successful season.