Is This Possible Under The New Rules?

[JSD]

Under the new agreement -- Could the Celtics S/T Glenn Davis for a player with a multi year deal and retain that player for the season before Amnesty Clause waiving his contract to free money for the 2012 Free Agent Class?


Any insight on that possibility would be appreciated.

[BASS_THUMPER]

kinda like blowin ya nose..

then tossin the kleenex

[mcshane41]

interesting idea..

[Fan from VT]

Don't forget that with an expiring contract/amnesty clause/whatever, you DO NOT get to use whatever money is expiring for free agents. You have to be BELOW the cap by whatever amount you want to use.

For example, the C's are at, what, 70 million dollars, and the cap is about 55 or so. Even if the C's had 15 million in expiring deals, they could let those expire, and be down to 55 million dollars, and have exactly Zero dollars to spend on free agents.

Now look at your scenario: Say the Cs are at 70 million in contracts, which does not count Davis as he is a FA. So they sign davis (bringing contracts to, say, 75 million), and trade him for a guy making a little more (say six million)...then they amnesty him. Well, that new guy's contract now doesn't count against the cap, so with his 6 million and the previous 15 million expiring, the C's now have 21 MILLION in expiring deals! But, remember they were already over the cap, and had to go even further over the cap to Sign and Trade Davis, so all their expiring deals expire and they get down to...55 million, or right at the cap.


Summary/Conclusion: For the purposes of Free Agent Signings, the amount of expiring contracts is IRRELEVANT; signing free agents is all about how far below the cap you can get.

[Roy H.]

Don't forget that with an expiring contract/amnesty clause/whatever, you DO NOT get to use whatever money is expiring for free agents. You have to be BELOW the cap by whatever amount you want to use.

For example, the C's are at, what, 70 million dollars, and the cap is about 55 or so. Even if the C's had 15 million in expiring deals, they could let those expire, and be down to 55 million dollars, and have exactly Zero dollars to spend on free agents.

Now look at your scenario: Say the Cs are at 70 million in contracts, which does not count Davis as he is a FA. So they sign davis (bringing contracts to, say, 75 million), and trade him for a guy making a little more (say six million)...then they amnesty him. Well, that new guy's contract now doesn't count against the cap, so with his 6 million and the previous 15 million expiring, the C's now have 21 MILLION in expiring deals! But, remember they were already over the cap, and had to go even further over the cap to Sign and Trade Davis, so all their expiring deals expire and they get down to...55 million, or right at the cap.


Summary/Conclusion: For the purposes of Free Agent Signings, the amount of expiring contracts is IRRELEVANT; signing free agents is all about how far below the cap you can get.

While mostly true, the Celts are going to have significant cap room next year.

Link.

Jsaad wants us to get better in the short term, while also preserving next season's cap room.  One way to do that would be to trade for a guy on a long-term deal who is better than BBD, and then amnesty him after one season.  That way, the players salary wouldn't be cutting into our cap room for next season.

As for whether that's legal:  Under the amnesty provision, players signed under the old CBA can be amnestied before the beginning of any season of the new CBA, meaning that there's no issue on waiting until next season.  As for the second part -- whether a traded player can be amnestied -- that's still up in the air; I don't think anybody has reported on whether this is a possibility, and it's not in the outline of the deal that was distributed.

[Fan from VT]

Don't forget that with an expiring contract/amnesty clause/whatever, you DO NOT get to use whatever money is expiring for free agents. You have to be BELOW the cap by whatever amount you want to use.

For example, the C's are at, what, 70 million dollars, and the cap is about 55 or so. Even if the C's had 15 million in expiring deals, they could let those expire, and be down to 55 million dollars, and have exactly Zero dollars to spend on free agents.

Now look at your scenario: Say the Cs are at 70 million in contracts, which does not count Davis as he is a FA. So they sign davis (bringing contracts to, say, 75 million), and trade him for a guy making a little more (say six million)...then they amnesty him. Well, that new guy's contract now doesn't count against the cap, so with his 6 million and the previous 15 million expiring, the C's now have 21 MILLION in expiring deals! But, remember they were already over the cap, and had to go even further over the cap to Sign and Trade Davis, so all their expiring deals expire and they get down to...55 million, or right at the cap.


Summary/Conclusion: For the purposes of Free Agent Signings, the amount of expiring contracts is IRRELEVANT; signing free agents is all about how far below the cap you can get.

While mostly true, the Celts are going to have significant cap room next year.

Link.

Jsaad wants us to get better in the short term, while also preserving next season's cap room.  One way to do that would be to trade for a guy on a long-term deal who is better than BBD, and then amnesty him after one season.  That way, the players salary wouldn't be cutting into our cap room for next season.

As for whether that's legal:  Under the amnesty provision, players signed under the old CBA can be amnestied before the beginning of any season of the new CBA, meaning that there's no issue on waiting until next season.  As for the second part -- whether a traded player can be amnestied -- that's still up in the air; I don't think anybody has reported on whether this is a possibility, and it's not in the outline of the deal that was distributed.

True, in that case, though, it doesn't matter who the player is that the C's are going to amnesty, whether it's this years [modified] MLE, Davis himself, or Player X received in the hypothetical Davis S+T...basically, they would all occupy the same level of salary, and not affect at all the amount the C's are over the cap in 2012. The C's can certainly Decrease their capspace, but short of amnestying Rondo or Pierce, there's no way they can finagle more cap space than they are projected to have.

[Roy H.]

True, in that case, though, it doesn't matter who the player is that the C's are going to amnesty, whether it's this years [modified] MLE, Davis himself, or Player X received in the hypothetical Davis S+T...basically, they would all occupy the same level of salary, and not affect at all the amount the C's are over the cap in 2012. The C's can certainly Decrease their capspace, but short of amnestying Rondo or Pierce, there's no way they can finagle more cap space than they are projected to have.

Right, I think Jsaad understands that.  He's just wondering if it's possible to upgrade BBD (or, if BBD leaves, simply replace him) with a player on a multi-year contract.

But yes, short of amnestying / waiving / trading Rondo, Pierce, or Bradley, there's no way to clear more cap space for next year.