Details on CBA discussions; which do you like?

[nickagneta]

All the other major American sports have the players receiving the larger share of the revenue pie because they ARE the product.

Interestingly, in the NFL the owners receive between 51.5% and 53.0% of all revenues, and they're the league where careers are the shortest and most dangerous. 

Interesting. I thought the players in the NFL were up near 60%. That was quite the giveback they caved on in order to end the lockout then. I hadn't read anything on the split in the NFL since the lockout and would never have imagined they would give back almost 12% of revenues.

[KGs Knee]

All the other major American sports have the players receiving the larger share of the revenue pie because they ARE the product.

Interestingly, in the NFL the owners receive between 51.5% and 53.0% of all revenues, and they're the league where careers are the shortest and most dangerous. 

Interesting. I thought the players in the NFL were up near 60%. That was quite the giveback they caved on in order to end the lockout then. I hadn't read anything on the split in the NFL since the lockout and would never have imagined they would give back almost 12% of revenues.

I'm not sure where the NFL players were at in terms of BRI split under the last CBA, but, the fact they are now under 50% just speaks to how weak the NFL players union realy is.  NFL players get a raw deal, plain and simple.  Non-guaranteed contracts?  What other sports league has such one-sided, non-sense?  The NFL was also the last North American sport to get true free agency.  Franchise tag?  No other league has that either.  The NFL players union is just weak.  No leverage.

Obviously, some people will say these mechanisms allow the NFL to be the great sport it is and are good for the game.  It is probably even a true statement.  Doesn't change the fact the players are getting a raw deal though.

[Roy H.]

All the other major American sports have the players receiving the larger share of the revenue pie because they ARE the product.

Interestingly, in the NFL the owners receive between 51.5% and 53.0% of all revenues, and they're the league where careers are the shortest and most dangerous. 

Interesting. I thought the players in the NFL were up near 60%. That was quite the giveback they caved on in order to end the lockout then. I hadn't read anything on the split in the NFL since the lockout and would never have imagined they would give back almost 12% of revenues.

Here's the summary of the deal that the Player's Association handed out to its membership:

http://ht.cdn.turner.com/si/images/2011/07/25/New_2011_Deal_Summary_7.pdf

With the salary cap, I'm actually not sure what the players' cut is capped at, but apparently they're guaranteed a minimum of 47%, as part of a "band" that can go up to 48.5%.  As you say, that's not a great deal, based upon where they were pre-lockout.

[Fafnir]

All the other major American sports have the players receiving the larger share of the revenue pie because they ARE the product.

Interestingly, in the NFL the owners receive between 51.5% and 53.0% of all revenues, and they're the league where careers are the shortest and most dangerous. 

Interesting. I thought the players in the NFL were up near 60%. That was quite the giveback they caved on in order to end the lockout then. I hadn't read anything on the split in the NFL since the lockout and would never have imagined they would give back almost 12% of revenues.

The NFL had a big deduction for expenses. The players recieved 60% after a 1 billion dollar deduction, so in practice it was 53%. (9 billion dollar total revenue)

The new deal sets the floor at 47%, I'm not sure how big of a deduction the owners get now. (if they get one at all)

[Moranis]

The NFL players will exceed 47% unless tv money takes a big nose dive in the future.  I believe this breaks down the economics as it was approved, though it might have been tweaked upward at one point.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Terms-of-NFL-owners-proposed-collective-bargaining-agreement-072111

Economics

* Salary cap plus benefits of $142.4 million per club in 2011 ($120.375 million for salary and bonus) and at least that amount in 2012 and 2013.

*Beginning in 2012, salary cap to be set based on a combined share of “all revenue,” a new model differentiated by revenue source with no expense reductions. Players will receive 55 percent of national media revenue, 45 percent of NFL Ventures revenue, and 40 percent of local club revenue.

* Beginning in 2012, annual “true up” to reflect revenue increases or decreases versus projections.

*Clubs receive credit for actual stadium investment and up to 1.5 percent of revenue each year.

* Player share must average at least 47 percent for the 10-year term of the agreement.

* League-wide commitment to cash spending of 99 percent of the cap in 2011 and 2012.

* For the 2013-2016 seasons, and again for the 2017-2020 seasons, the clubs collectively will commit to cash spending of at least 95 percent of the cap.

* Each club committed to cash spending of 89 percent of the cap from 2013-2016 and 2017-2020.

* Increases to minimum salaries of 10 percent in Year 1 with continuing increases each year of the agreement.

[nickagneta]

Wow. TPs for the links Moranis and Roy. I am flabbergasted that the NFL players gave up so much.