Rank the worst moves in the past year

[Chris]

I don't think the JO signing was a mistake at the time.  JO was coming off a 70 game season, and his injuries in the playoffs were thought to be fairly normal.  We needed a starting center, and JO's production was above-average for the position.  On top of that, multiple teams were pursuing him.

Under those circumstances, a short-term MLE deal is market value, at the very least.  In hindsight, we all would have preferred to target somebody else, but at the time Danny's reasoning was sound.  It was a risk, but it was a smart risk.

Yeah, I certainly understand it, and was on board with it at the time.

I just think that if we are talking about trading away injured end of the bench players, signing a known injury risk as your only center on the roster making more than the minimum for at the very least the first half of the season, also needs to be part of the discussion.

Ultimately though, there is the Perk trade, and letting Tony Allen walk, and everything else was peripheral. 

[Smitty77]

Perkins had an Efficiency playoff Rating of 7.88 in 28.2 minutes.  Jeff Green had a 6.00 in only 19.2 minutes.  There is NOT a huge difference there. 

Clearly, Jeff needs to be more assertive, but Perk was playing with starters and Green was NOT!

http://www.nba.com/home/playerfile/kendrick_perkins/index.html

Smitty77

P.S.  I still miss Perk:-))

[Chris]

Perkins had an Efficiency playoff Rating of 7.88 in 28.2 minutes.  Jeff Green had a 6.00 in only 19.2 minutes.  There is NOT a huge difference there. 

Clearly, Jeff needs to be more assertive, but Perk was playing with starters and Green was NOT!

http://www.nba.com/home/playerfile/kendrick_perkins/index.html

Smitty77

P.S.  I still miss Perk:-))

I don't think you can break down the move based on the individual players.  I personally think from a value standpoint, the C's still came out on top.  The problem was the timing.  They traded away the closest thing they had to a healthy starting center, at a time when the return of the other guys was still up in the air.  It was a huge risk, which they lost, despite possibly winning with value for the future.

[Marcus13]

Efficiency Playoff Rating....


Because that's how championships are won! 

[mgent]

JO who was coming off a terrible performance in the playoffs,

false
he play pretty well


and yes years behind showed his lack of resciliance
and had pretty descent playoffs with us

he did have a decent playoffs with us, but the year before that, when we ousted Miami in 5 games, he was downright terrible.  he couldn't score to save his life.

although last year JO was far from useless for us, he definitely wasn't worth anything close to his MLE contract.

The problem wasn't signing JO to the MLE, it was signing JO and then having him refuse surgery.  He should've gotten it DIRECTLY after we bounced him from the playoffs and he shot about 10% from the field.

Instead he just rested through the offseason, rested through training camp, rested through the first half of the season, decided in like February to rest/rehab for a month, and then 2 weeks later decided to go ahead with the surgery.  That's 10 months later than he should've.

Then he came back, reportedly had ZERO swelling whatsoever, and played above average basketball in the playoffs.  If he played like that for 50-60 games, the MLE would've been great value.

But what's he doing this offseason in lieu of surgery?  Resting - Oh wait, I mean playing with Paul in Vegas.  This guy has got to already be more well-rested than my cats.

[ballin]

1. Perkins Trade
-Is there anything good that can actually be said about this trade? The timing was horrific and chemistry-annihilating. We traded away a position where we were already thin (center) for a small forward whose entire career has been underwhelming. We traded for a player with "potential" despite being in the midst of the apotheosis of a "win-now" season. We traded away the best player in the trade. And last but not least, it forced Doc's hand into playing Big Baby starter's minutes at the center position, which I would STAKE MY VERY LIFE on being the nail in our season's coffin.

We would probably have another championship if not for this trade. So, quite obviously, I feel that this was the worst move.


I didn't think any of the other moves were all that bad. I'm not convinced Tony Allen would have played as well here as he did in Memphis, and getting JO for the cost we paid wasn't all that bad. Ditching Semih and Luke for nothing might have been a mistake, but not an impactful one.

[Cman]

1. Perkins Trade
-Is there anything good that can actually be said about this trade? The timing was horrific and chemistry-annihilating. We traded away a position where we were already thin (center) for a small forward whose entire career has been underwhelming. We traded for a player with "potential" despite being in the midst of the apotheosis of a "win-now" season. We traded away the best player in the trade. And last but not least, it forced Doc's hand into playing Big Baby starter's minutes at the center position, which I would STAKE MY VERY LIFE on being the nail in our season's coffin.

We would probably have another championship if not for this trade. So, quite obviously, I feel that this was the worst move.

I agree the Perk trade was the worst, in retrospect.

I think there was plenty to recommend it at the time, though.

And no, we probably would not have had another championship but for this trade.  The main reason we lost against Miami was not because we didn't have Perk, but because Miami played better.  People conveniently forget that Miami improved its play substantially over the course of the year.

[LooseCannon]

Signing JO wasn't a bad idea. His contract was. He was definitely not worth the MLE. Wasn't Miami paying him the vet's min?

He made $23 million in his last season with Miami.