Enough with the Rondo trade talks

[TheGreenE]

Enough is enought. 

He is a true Celtic!!!

Rondo played without an arm  3 games against the Heat. What else do u guys want??? show me another player that willing do to that

Rondo will stay here and will retire as a Celtic.

[soap07]

It's not like Rondo doesn't have an injury history either. With his body frame, I feel like his career is going to have shorter shelf life than usual.

He's already had foot problems, ankle problems, dislocated elbows, etc.

All rational Celtics love Rondo and don't want to see him go....unless it's a clear upgrade, which CP3 is.

[BballTim]

It's not like Rondo doesn't have an injury history either. With his body frame, I feel like his career is going to have shorter shelf life than usual.

He's already had foot problems, ankle problems, dislocated elbows, etc.

All rational Celtics love Rondo and don't want to see him go....unless it's a clear upgrade, which CP3 is.

  Who probably has *more* injury concerns...

[soap07]

Rondo is so easily mitigated by other teams its not funny.  I love his rebounding, defense, and timing (especially on fast breaks), but Rondo needs a bunch of scorers and vets around him to succeed.

I'd move Rondo for CP3.  At the same time, I'm not sure he's "easily mitigated".  I think a lot of us (myself included) have short memories, but remember his performances in the Knicks series:

Game 2:  30 points, 7 assists
Game 3:  15 points, 11 rebounds, 20 assists
Game 4:  21 points, 12 assists

Rondo has some very real flaws, but he's also fully capable of taking over a game.

That's the thing - he is absolutely capable of taking over a game here and there. I know you've mentioned this in the past but it bears repeating - Rondo cannot take over a series against another championship caliber team over a 7 game stretch. Can he do it with Toney Douglas guarding him? Yes. But against a high caliber NBA defense, if he's the best player on the team, the team will likely lose that series.

[soap07]

It's not like Rondo doesn't have an injury history either. With his body frame, I feel like his career is going to have shorter shelf life than usual.

He's already had foot problems, ankle problems, dislocated elbows, etc.

All rational Celtics love Rondo and don't want to see him go....unless it's a clear upgrade, which CP3 is.

  Who probably has *more* injury concerns...

You realize that Paul has only had two seasons where he's missed significant time due to injuries right? And by my recollection, the injuries were unrelated.


Paul played a full season this year and had the best season of any point guard, better than Rondo AND Rose on a garbage team. (Although, Deron Williams certainly can make an argument that he had as good of a season).

[SalmonAndMashedPotatoes]

That's the thing - he is absolutely capable of taking over a game here and there. I know you've mentioned this in the past but it bears repeating - Rondo cannot take over a series against another championship caliber team over a 7 game stretch. Can he do it with Toney Douglas guarding him? Yes. But against a high caliber NBA defense, if he's the best player on the team, the team will likely lose that series.

Come on, Rondo took over against a championship-caliber Cavs team during the 2nd round of the 2010 playoffs.  He was the best player on the court, better than Lebron.

Rondo had an injury plagued year, played through pain, and now has people questioning his talent.  The typical 'what-have-you-done-for-me-lately' attitude of the casual fan.

[BballTim]

Rondo is so easily mitigated by other teams its not funny.  I love his rebounding, defense, and timing (especially on fast breaks), but Rondo needs a bunch of scorers and vets around him to succeed.

I'd move Rondo for CP3.  At the same time, I'm not sure he's "easily mitigated".  I think a lot of us (myself included) have short memories, but remember his performances in the Knicks series:

Game 2:  30 points, 7 assists
Game 3:  15 points, 11 rebounds, 20 assists
Game 4:  21 points, 12 assists

Rondo has some very real flaws, but he's also fully capable of taking over a game.

That's the thing - he is absolutely capable of taking over a game here and there. I know you've mentioned this in the past but it bears repeating - Rondo cannot take over a series against another championship caliber team over a 7 game stretch. Can he do it with Toney Douglas guarding him? Yes. But against a high caliber NBA defense, if he's the best player on the team, the team will likely lose that series.

  LeBron's Cavs said hello.

[BballTim]

It's not like Rondo doesn't have an injury history either. With his body frame, I feel like his career is going to have shorter shelf life than usual.

He's already had foot problems, ankle problems, dislocated elbows, etc.

All rational Celtics love Rondo and don't want to see him go....unless it's a clear upgrade, which CP3 is.

  Who probably has *more* injury concerns...

You realize that Paul has only had two seasons where he's missed significant time due to injuries right? And by my recollection, the injuries were unrelated.


Paul played a full season this year and had the best season of any point guard, better than Rondo AND Rose on a garbage team. (Although, Deron Williams certainly can make an argument that he had as good of a season).

  Yes, I realize that Paul has "only" had 2 of 6 seasons marred by injury. I also realize that there have been discussions here about whether his knee will give him more problems in the future. And, as an added bonus, I realize that CP3 averaged 16/4/10 this year compared to 23/6/11 the year before his knee injury, and his PER dropped from 30 to 24. Oh, and lastly I realize that players on "garbage" teams generally put up better stats than they would if you put them on quality teams.

[LooseCannon]

  Yes, I realize that Paul has "only" had 2 of 6 seasons marred by injury. I also realize that there have been discussions here about whether his knee will give him more problems in the future.

I'm not sure if people realize that Chris Paul had a meniscus removed and has a partial bone-on-bone situation in his left knee.  Bone-on-bone....where have I heard that before?

[bfrombleacher]

Chris Paul sits out on minor injuries, Rondo plays with his elbow bent the other way and a broken foot.

Rondo makes players around him better. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are getting career highs in FG% while Rondo is having the best season of his career so far. Garnett is getting 15 points a game when I think he should be getting something closer to 10 points a game. The swap Rondo for Rose scenario would probably result in a huge dip in production for the Big Three. Nobody runs a team like Rondo does.

Rondo brings heart, hustle and intangibles. His jump shot and free throw are the only knocks on him and I trust that will come soon.

"That's why he's with the Celtics and other guys are not," the UK coach said of Rondo. "Why? He's in the gym at 11 at night shooting. Do you love it or not? And he does."

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/08/13/1843563/calipari-hoping-vargas-has-a-little.html#ixzz1V8DzUZQp

[GreenFaith1819]

Chris Paul sits out on minor injuries, Rondo plays with his elbow bent the other way and a broken foot.

Rondo makes players around him better. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are getting career highs in FG% while Rondo is having the best season of his career so far. Garnett is getting 15 points a game when I think he should be getting something closer to 10 points a game. The swap Rondo for Rose scenario would probably result in a huge dip in production for the Big Three. Nobody runs a team like Rondo does.

Rondo brings heart, hustle and intangibles. His jump shot and free throw are the only knocks on him and I trust that will come soon.

"That's why he's with the Celtics and other guys are not," the UK coach said of Rondo. "Why? He's in the gym at 11 at night shooting. Do you love it or not? And he does."

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/08/13/1843563/calipari-hoping-vargas-has-a-little.html#ixzz1V8DzUZQp

And this is what I'm so concerned with a Rondo-for-CP3 trade - the intangibles.

I'm sure that CP3 works hard, too - but the experience factor (Rondo's been to 2 Finals), and the FIT......If I was GM I'd still be hesitant to do such a trade.

On paper it appears to be a no-brainer - but the fit?

[diconzo]

Rondo has to be the LEAST paid perennial all star not on a rookie contract. He is on one of the best contracts in the NBA, besides the OKC getting to pay 1M to Serge Ibaka. That kid is a monster! Anyone else think we should try to swing a trade for him when his contract is up? He would be the perfect complement to D12 and Rondo. Defense wins champions. Just look at the '04 Pistons and almost the '05 Pistons. They had a bunch of mediocre scorers but had a defensive stopper at each positon whether it was their starter or bench guy.

[bfrombleacher]

Rondo's support cast is far from perfect by the way. The 4 other starters rely too much on their jump shot. Remember before Shaq came and after he got injured, we had ugly offensive stalemates where our defense was great but our offense was so, so ugly. So many possessions ended with someone burping up a shot at the end of 24. When going against the grain, a jump shot is really tough to hit. Rondo needs scoring on the inside, whether it be from penetration or post play.

Rondo with better offensive weapons will be an entirely different beast. He made the Celtics the best team in the league with just a 40 year old Shaq. Rondo can make everybody around him better.

[paulcowens]

I really hate the phrase "clear upgrade".  I hate the implication that players are interchangeable parts, like you could pick 'em up at an auto parts store, but for basketball.  EVEN IF Chris Paul is a better player than Rondo - which I doubt, since I think Rondo is the best facilitator in the league - that doesn't mean he's a desirable 'upgrade' for us.

I agre with 'frombleacher'  that the now infamous Celtic dry spells have a lot to do with them being a jump-shooting team.  I think it has a lot to do, also, with them being an OLD team.  They like to slow the ball down as much as they can, but this habit, which may save energy,  also takes them out of offensive rhythm, and we all know how important rhythm is to jump shooting.

The magic Shaq and Rondo made together was something special.  Dwight Howard has got to be thinking about it....