there's a reason that green was available over ibaka and harden.
The other two have more upside, are younger, cheaper, better, and have more definable NBA roles.
100% incorrect. They threw in Jeff Green because we ASKED for him AND because they have Kevin Durant to fill the 3 spot.
It makes me laugh reading a statement like ' Harden has more upside than Jeff Green'. Seriously what a joke.
The way people imagine things to justify their position on the trade on this board sometimes just blows my mind.
Wait, you think they would have given us Ibaka if we asked for him? hahahahhaha
Champber is 100% correct. Jeff Green, while struggling here, is absolutely a better player than Harden and overall, a better player than Ibaka too.
This thread, and the posters agreeing with it, have no idea what they are talking about. Besides, we would not have asked for Ibaka anyway because he doesn't fill a need.
Well first of all, every advanced stat and apparently Sam Presti as well disagrees with your position that Jeff Green is better than Harden and Ibaka.
It appears, in fact, that you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Jeff Green isn't struggling here... he's shooting the best fg% of his career and providing nearly the same rebounding, blocks, turnovers, points, etc. per 36 minutes as he has for his entire career. If anything, Jeff Green is playing better than should be expected. And he's still just not that good.
Serge Ibaka is literally 3x as good of a shotblocker and twice as good of a rebounder. He scores nearly an identical number of points per 36 minutes, and he does so more efficiently (EFG%). Ibaka's PER this season is 17.7, which is above average, while Green's is 12.9, which is below average. Ibaka is younger and has far more upside/potential because it's only his second year in the league. There's not a doubt in the world that Serge Ibaka is a better basketball player than Jeff Green.
As for James Harden, he scores more points per 36 minutes than Green, and he does so more efficiently. He averages almost as many rebounds per 36 min. as Green as a SHOOTING GUARD. His PER is 16.4, while again Green's is 12.9. Harden is also younger and has only been in the league for 2 years, and hence has far more upside. Harden is arguably a better player than Green.
Here's my point. First of all, the fact that Presti didn't trade Ibaka to us doesn't prove in any way shape or form that he thinks that ibaka is better than Green. I mean, does the fact that Presti didn't trade us Eric Maynor show that he values Maynor more than Green? Of course not.
You think just because a guy was traded means that the team had little value for that guy? That is nothing but fan think. He sucks, trade him. Well, in the real world, you generally have to give up value to get value. As I mentioned before, this trade happened because it was a fit for both teams.
Now as far as you analysis, there is no question that ibaka is a better defensive player than green. And that certainly is important. But if he was that good, why wasn't he starting over Green when PF is his natural position (and it wasn't Green's)?
But more than anything, the potential I see from ibaka is that of a great role player. That is, I don't see a guy that can generate his own offense. He needs others to do it for him. That makes him a complimentary player rather than a feature player. And while green has definetely been a disappointment so far, he absolutely has more potential on that end.
And forget what you hear, offense is still the most important part of an indivual's game. Getting your own shot consistently is a relatively rare trait that has a good deal of value.