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Tom Ziller Backs Me Up Re: Rose for MVP
« on: March 28, 2011, 10:56:44 AM »

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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/3/24/2068524/derrick-rose-nba-mvp-russell-westbrook

Tom Ziller wrote an article entitled: Derrick Rose No Better an MVP Candidate Than Russell Westbrook.  Give it a read.


Dan LaBatard concurs:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/28/2137216/for-chicago-bulls-derrick-rose.html

His description of the MVP award this year is probably most apt -

"They should just rename the MVP trophy The We Didn’t Expect To See Rose Sitting Atop LeBron In The Standings Award."
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Re: Tom Ziller Backs Me Up Re: Rose for MVP
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 11:12:46 AM »

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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/3/24/2068524/derrick-rose-nba-mvp-russell-westbrook

Tom Ziller wrote an article entitled: Derrick Rose No Better an MVP Candidate Than Russell Westbrook.  Give it a read.


Dan LaBatard concurs:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/28/2137216/for-chicago-bulls-derrick-rose.html

His description of the MVP award this year is probably most apt -

"They should just rename the MVP trophy The We Didn’t Expect To See Rose Sitting Atop LeBron In The Standings Award."


I don't think Rose should be the MVP either, but I don't like what Dan Lebatard is saying there with that quote.

LeBron James should not be the MVP either.

Dwight Howard hands down the MVP for me right now. He's doing more with less, and he's having his best year statistically, and he's the only thing stopping the Orlando team from being a bottom 2 or 3 team, because of a ridiculously porous defense.

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Re: Tom Ziller Backs Me Up Re: Rose for MVP
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2011, 11:17:37 AM »

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Backs you up? That's the majority position that this point, friend.

Re: Tom Ziller Backs Me Up Re: Rose for MVP
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 11:18:40 AM »

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Backs you up? That's the majority position that this point, friend.

The article says that Rose should *not* be MVP.  I think most people assume that the award already has his name engraved on it.

I would have absolutely no problem giving Rose the MVP.  He's by far the best player, and has been the one constant, on a team that came out of relative obscurity to earn the best record in the East.  He's putting up very good numbers, and he's carrying his team when he needs to.

To me, the MVP is a lot about taking your team to new heights and/or outperforming expectations.  Rose has done that more than any other player this year. 

(Obviously, the criteria for the award is pretty amorphous.  Nash's first MVP fit the above criteria, but more recently, the MVP has gone to the best player on the best regular season team.)


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Re: Tom Ziller Backs Me Up Re: Rose for MVP
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2011, 11:19:10 AM »

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Backs you up? That's the majority position that this point, friend.

How so?  The majority position does not seem to be that Rose is essentially the same player as Russell Westbrook and thus not much more deserving than him or really nearly a dozen other players.


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Re: Tom Ziller Backs Me Up Re: Rose for MVP
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Backs you up? That's the majority position that this point, friend.

Not among the media I don't think...if Derrick Rose doesn't win the MVP, I'll be surprised.

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Re: Tom Ziller Backs Me Up Re: Rose for MVP
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 11:20:17 AM »

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Backs you up? That's the majority position that this point, friend.

The article says that Rose should *not* be MVP.  I think most people assume that the award already has his name engraved on it.

Yeah, that's what the thread title suggests too.

Re: Tom Ziller Backs Me Up Re: Rose for MVP
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2011, 11:21:14 AM »

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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/3/24/2068524/derrick-rose-nba-mvp-russell-westbrook

Tom Ziller wrote an article entitled: Derrick Rose No Better an MVP Candidate Than Russell Westbrook.  Give it a read.


Dan LaBatard concurs:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/28/2137216/for-chicago-bulls-derrick-rose.html

His description of the MVP award this year is probably most apt -

"They should just rename the MVP trophy The We Didn’t Expect To See Rose Sitting Atop LeBron In The Standings Award."


I don't think Rose should be the MVP either, but I don't like what Dan Lebatard is saying there with that quote.

LeBron James should not be the MVP either.

Dwight Howard hands down the MVP for me right now. He's doing more with less, and he's having his best year statistically, and he's the only thing stopping the Orlando team from being a bottom 2 or 3 team, because of a ridiculously porous defense.

I agree with you, I think Dwight Howard is the best MVP candidate at this point. 

To me, the MVP award should go to a player who is doing things for his team that no other player in the league could do in his place.  A truly irreplaceable player on a team winning a lot of games.

I don't believe that Rose is irreplaceable.  I don't believe that you can accurately say that Rose does things that no other player can do.  I think you should be able to say that about a legitimate MVP candidate.


You can say that about Dwight Howard.
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Re: Tom Ziller Backs Me Up Re: Rose for MVP
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2011, 11:22:23 AM »

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Backs you up? That's the majority position that this point, friend.

The article says that Rose should *not* be MVP.  I think most people assume that the award already has his name engraved on it.

Yeah, that's what the thread title suggests too.

Not really.  That's your assumption because the media has already anointed Rose.  The title merely suggests, to a discerning reader, that Tom Ziller agrees with me on the topic of Rose for MVP.  The topic doesn't suggest clearly which way either I or Tom Ziller stand on the topic, just that we agree.


In any case, friend, it's a good idea to actually read the post before replying to the title.
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