Trade Idea: Nate/BBD/JO for Iggy/Battie

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Some interesting points.

One idea, that we're winning already, is not a reason not to do a trade.  Red was a "trade when you're winning" guy, since that's when the players have the most value, and also to not let good be the enemy of great.  If a team can trade bench players for starter-levle talent/fringe all-star, it's a good trade.

To those who would rather keep Nate for insurance, I agree.  Swap out Perk instead, and we're actually giving up less since we're presently 8-2 without him.  That would be trading two non-players and one bench player for a fringe all-star and a bench player (a big).  Still a great idea from the C's standpoint.

Are some folks really so in love with this current team that we couldn't imagine improving it?

From Philly's perspective, they've got a great young core with Jrue, Evan Turner, and possibly Speights and a long-term committment to Iggy that isn't getting them anywhere.  We can offer salary relief (better with Perk than Nate) and picks, which should be exactly what Philly should be looking for right now.

[Chris]

From Philly's perspective, they've got a great young core with Jrue, Evan Turner, and possibly Speights and a long-term committment to Iggy that isn't getting them anywhere.  We can offer salary relief (better with Perk than Nate) and picks, which should be exactly what Philly should be looking for right now.

Why should they be looking for salary relief and picks?  They have a good young core, and are not strapped for cash.  Not to mention, there are a ton of teams who can offer more cap relief (JO would just be dead weight on their roster for an extra season), and better draft picks/young players.

If they do decide to move Iggy, it will be to either part of a larger deal to get rid of an actual bad contract like Brand's, while also getting good value in return.  Or, more likely, it will be because they can get good value for Iggy as a young Allstar caliber player.  They would be able to get either an equivalent player in more of a position of need, or they would get several young, up and coming players, and draft picks.

When discussing trades for Iggy, you need to remember one thing.  Philly has all of the leverage.  They don't need to move him.  He is a very good young player on a reasonable contract.  He is movable because his skills are now redundant with Turner, but they have no motivation to sell him for 60 cents on the dollar.

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Some interesting points.

One idea, that we're winning already, is not a reason not to do a trade.  Red was a "trade when you're winning" guy, since that's when the players have the most value, and also to not let good be the enemy of great.  If a team can trade bench players for starter-levle talent/fringe all-star, it's a good trade.

To those who would rather keep Nate for insurance, I agree.  Swap out Perk instead, and we're actually giving up less since we're presently 8-2 without him.  That would be trading two non-players and one bench player for a fringe all-star and a bench player (a big).  Still a great idea from the C's standpoint.

Are some folks really so in love with this current team that we couldn't imagine improving it?

From Philly's perspective, they've got a great young core with Jrue, Evan Turner, and possibly Speights and a long-term committment to Iggy that isn't getting them anywhere.  We can offer salary relief (better with Perk than Nate) and picks, which should be exactly what Philly should be looking for right now.

So you want to go into the playoffs with KG, Shaq and ... to deal with Orlando and LA?

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Why do people think BBD and JO have such trade value?

I'm telling you, right now, JO has 0% trade value.  BBD wouldn't net us much.  BBD only has value on a contending team with lots of potent offensive options around him.  Put him on a bad team and he'd be real bad.

Disagree big time, Big Baby is a very good basketball player. If he were on a bad team where he got more minutes and more shots he'd put up much better numbers.

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I am never sure what to make of these trade legitimate bench guys for a 6th starter suggestions. Even ignoring the lack of value for Philly, should we be looking for guys who would fit available roles?

The idea is to maximize a players value, not to get a player too talented for his role such that we don't get the most value for them.

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I am never sure what to make of these trade legitimate bench guys for a 6th starter suggestions. Even ignoring the lack of value for Philly, should we be looking for guys who would fit available roles?

The idea is to maximize a players value, not to get a player too talented for his role such that we don't get the most value for them.

Good observation.  There is a long-term role for an all-star level wing, though.  Paul is locked up for 4 years, but Ray is on a 1+1 deal, and we're supposedly looking to reduce both of their minutes.  96 minutes at SG/SF leaves enough for 3 fringe all-star players.

Iggy is only 26, and has 4 years left on his big-money deal, perfect as a now-and-future piece with Rondo.  If Ray is here next year and beyond, he can transition to a bench role, which he likely anticipates, but we're still loaded and keep winning.

The value for Philly would come from 1) having more pieces to move for supporting talent around their young, budding stars.  If they insisted on more cap relief by taking Perk instead of Nate (or in addition), then fine with me.  Philly value would also come from  draft picks, which would be low but still valuable.

Danny has the pieces to pull a move like 2007 one more time to keep the title-contending window open for another four years, at only the cost of role players and draft picks.
To fill the spot in the middle, which would be vacated by BBD, isn't as hard as Baby-lovers would suggest.  He's a role player on this team, albeit a good one.  Still, he's only getting as many as 24 minutes due to injuries.  And trading JO would absolutely not be a loss since he isn't playing anyway, and is, at best, 50-50 to be full strength for the playoffs.  Recall that last year in Miami, he played poorly in the playoffs, then said he was hurt.  No reason to expect much more from him in green, especially with a 5-year history of "hurt."

The only loss would be BBD, who I expect to leave this summer for better $$ elsewhere (like Tony and Posey before him).  Nate, as a backup 15 minute PG, isn't much of a loss.  As for Perk (were he included), we don't know what we'll get this year due to injury, an then the FA crapshoot kicks in, and I'm not sure he's the player to devote big cap space to in the rebuilding project, or even a main piece (as a role player before star scorers are locked in).

So that's the reasoning on both sides.

To fill the gap in the middle, in the event there is one, Battie is good for 15 backup minutes, Sheed could come back, Dampier could be signed, Erden is developing nicely, and depth-guys like Dwayne Jones are out there (who I think might be a nice fit with our current defensive schemes).