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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #150 on: September 16, 2010, 06:59:54 PM »

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Rondo,

How does Milwaukee choose to match up against this lineup?

PG - Lawson
SG - Joe
SF - Vince
PF - Kirilenko
C - Aldridge

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We would stick with our starters if Orlando decided to go with this matchup.  While Lawson is a good matchup with Kidd, he isnt the distributor that Kidd is.  And with Orlando most likely using Johnson as their main catalyst and Lawson just as a driving threat i think Kidd could shut him down pretty reasonably. Lawson really doesnt have much of an outside shot and when he does pull up.  Lawson at 5'11 and Kidd at 6'4 would have Kidds hand right in his face.  Lets remember when you are playing somebody 5 inches shorter than you, it gives you a much greater margin of error. 

I think Rip plays Johnson pretty evenly and Maggette Exposes Carter.  Rip will tire Johnson out running of screens and Johnson wont be as effective on the offensive end. 

AK47 isnt quite the player he used to be.  He has never accepted a role other than that of a starter and has been a problem ever since he has been moved to the bench.  By the same token, I firmly expect dirk to be able to exploit his height advantage as well as the fact that Dirk has a very diverse offensive game so AK can't Key in on one thing. 

I actually like this matchup for Gortat, he is one of my best defensive players so i really like that he will be guarding one of Orlandos most gifted offensive threats.  I think Orlando does me a favor here but putting somebody with a very limited offensive game at the 4 so that dirk isnt a defensive liability.
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #151 on: September 16, 2010, 07:13:17 PM »

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Okay, but I kinda have to bow out for the rest of the night.

Sorry IP the debate has been a blast but there's just a ton of stuff I have to attend to tonight.

I want to thank everyone who read my points and I hope I made you think and look at things before making your final decisions. And I implore you to vote Boxers because Lebron sucks!!! ;D

I also want to thank Who and Roy and jgod for being so kind to the Boxers during this thread.

I want to thank my very humorous and good willed and gracious opponent.

See you after midnight when polls close.

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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #152 on: September 16, 2010, 07:14:34 PM »

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Boxes and Bulls

I'm lazy and have been in my own conferences thread all day. Give me no more than 5 bullet points, in under 300 words on why I should vote for your teams

I can do it in 4.

1) LeBron James has dominated Wilson Chandler for both their respective careers. Chandler cannot slow him down, he only makes him better.

2) Brandon Jennings's average over 4 games against Raymond Felton last season was 19.5ppg for Jennings to 9.0ppg for Felton

3) My team has a better or comparable rebounder at every single position on the floor. In the 2 times last season the Bulls and Lakers played, Noah out-rebounded Bynum 20 to 3 and 15 to 8, respectively. Rebounding will be a big issue and Washington will lose that battle.

4) No team has ever beat a LeBon James led squad in the playoffs without an elite defender in the block and a very good wing defender. Orlando had Dwight and Pietrus, Boston had Pierce/Garnett and Perkins...Nick has Bynum/Chandler. Say what you want about LeBron as a person, but those results are just flat out true.

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Whenever he posts, say to yourself "Well I don't know about all that, but you still haven't said how you'd stop LeBron, and if you can't stop LeBron, then everyone does better."

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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #153 on: September 16, 2010, 07:14:59 PM »

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Haha, stepping out at the same time. Funny

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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #154 on: September 16, 2010, 07:41:09 PM »

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I only have ten minutes to vote here and in the other thread, so I have to just go with my gut feelings.

Orlando over Milwaukee. I think the frontcourt talent and depth of the Magic helps nullify Dirk's impact. Orlando, overall, seems the deeper team to me.

Washington over Chicago. Again, I go with the team that's deeper and more talented 1-9. LeBron goes hog wild for a couple games, but I don't think he can consistently score enough to lead his team to victory.
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #155 on: September 16, 2010, 08:09:57 PM »

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Who, do you think Bynum is 100% to finish the season? I see KCattheStripe up there...KC, you think Bynum stays healthy all season and is 100% in the playoffs consider he hasn't finished the season in full health since Bush was president?
I have no idea ... but for the purposes of my vote, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Then here is my question: Are you also giving Ilyasova and Jennings the benefit of the doubt, assuming they do well in their new roles, and they improve as players?

Because Bynum has been hurt 3 years in a row, and Jennings + Ilyasova would logically improve..as Ilyasova has already shown he's drastically improved since his first tour of duty.

For Ilyasova: After one year of defending PF's full time, wouldn't he get stronger, better at it? Wouldn't he because a more efficient shooter?

Wouldn't Jennings improve as a scorer, and get a bit better a picking his shots?

You're saying Bynum's production will improve, but I feel like you're not making the same leaps with the Bulls.

Not to say I think I'm not getting a fair shake, I do...I'm just saying we've been talking about this thing for so long over the same points, I feel like we're leaving things out.
Sorry, two different areas here

(1) Not Improvement

Andrew Bynum is a 20/10 big man right now. That isn't improvement. He is capable of doing that right now. He just plays on a team with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol and as a result he doesn't get enough touches or shot attempts to score 20ppg + not enough minutes to get 10rpg without a greater commitment to defense / rebounding ...

In Washington, I expect him to get those touches + those shot attempts so he'll put up those numbers. I don't think a greater commitment to defense / rebounding happens for at least another season but he'll play longer minutes in Washington so I think he gets to 10 boards a game that way.

Like most young players he is too obsessed with his offensive stats + establishing himself as a star to fully commit to how good of a defender he could become (which is a scary thought). So the offense comes first, then some more defense and rebounding.

If he only plays 32-33 minutes, then an 18/10 threat but if he manages 35-36mpg I'm thinking 20/10.

To repeat, this is not improvement ... this is simply playing a larger role for a different team.

(2) Improvement

I do expect Ersan Ilyasova to improve his shooting efficiency. You mentioned a figure of 37% from downtown earlier that's the type of ball park that I am expecting from him. I expect his overall TS% to be a positive too (55-56% -- maybe a bit higher on this Bulls team versus Bucks). Not expecting his defense to improve significantly though. Or his rebounding or his general scoring. He is capable of playing longer minutes.

Brandon Jennings is a more difficult case to be specific with. Yes, I expect him to improve but I don't feel all that comfortable pin-pointing exactly where.

The reason I like him to improve are - his jump shot improved a great deal over where it was reportedly before joining the NBA to where he was as a rookie + he is a gym rat who's working out all summer long with strong guidance of his coaches who all love his work ethic.

His scoring efficiency is an obvious area and I think that will improve but I don't know to what to degree. His scoring efficiency is already so poor that I doubt he makes enough inroads to reach league average levels but I'm hoping he moves across the 50% TS% threshold.

Jennings jump shot should continue to show improvement (already a good perimeter shooter) but his finishing around the rim is the real problem area and it's unclear when + how much that will improve. Maybe it improves next year, maybe it doesn't ... I don't know so I am leaving it alone. 

The rest of his game, I'm just saying slight improvement in across the board + good improvement as a floor general, general passing (not necessarily assists) and leadership areas.

If you want to argue something more specific than that for Jennings ... I'm all ears.

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #156 on: September 16, 2010, 08:11:49 PM »

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I think IP's about elite defenses beating LeBron is your best one. Wilson Chandler backed by Scola/Bynum/Haslem doesn't do it for me. Wilson Chandler in front of 2007-2008 KG and Perkins wouldn't be enough in my mind.

Great defense starts with keeping your man in front of you and forcing him into your help. I don't think Chandler can do that with LeBron. I think if you play off LeBron like Rondo (which is kinda what Nick implied) doesn't work anymore, he's too good for that both in shooting and using it to get a head of steam.

Depth is important, but overall talent is a biggest determinant. I suppose I have more faith in Noah than I do Bynum and more faith in LeBron than Manu. I think HCA and LeBron carry Chicago onwards.

Milwaukee/Orlando, I'm still trying to make up my mind.  :-\

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #157 on: September 16, 2010, 08:12:45 PM »

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Orlando's bench is a real strength for them here but Milwaukee's starters are capable of playing big minutes.

PG - Kidd -- 36-40 minutes a night
SG - Rip -- 37-40 minutes a night
SF - Maggette - 36-40 minutes a night
PF - Dirk - 36-40 minutes a night
C - Gortat - 32-34 minutes a night

So, outside of Gortat, the backups 1-4 would only be playing on average about 10 minutes a game. Plus 15 minutes for Gortat. That is a total of 55 bench minutes versus the starters 185 minutes.

Milwaukee relies on their bench a lot less than some other teams (such as Orlando).

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #158 on: September 16, 2010, 08:20:11 PM »

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Orlando's bench is a real strength for them here but Milwaukee's starters are capable of playing big minutes.

PG - Kidd -- 36-40 minutes a night
SG - Rip -- 37-40 minutes a night
SF - Maggette - 36-40 minutes a night
PF - Dirk - 36-40 minutes a night
C - Gortat - 32-34 minutes a night

So, outside of Gortat, the backups 1-4 would only be playing on average about 10 minutes a game. Plus 15 minutes for Gortat. That is a total of 55 bench minutes versus the starters 185 minutes.

Milwaukee relies on their bench a lot less than some other teams (such as Orlando).

I really dont see anybody on Orlando's Squad that scares me.  Vince used to scare people.  Joe Johnson scares me during the regular season. 

Dirk is somebody that can score on anybody in the league. 
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #159 on: September 16, 2010, 09:54:05 PM »

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My picks

Eastern Conference
  • Milwaukee over Orlando -- Bucks ride their starters to fight off Orlando's bench to win in 6 games
  • Washington over Chicago -- Washington's balance and quality in depth trumps Chicago in a seven game thriller (best series of the playoffs)

I think Chicago's starters out-play Washington's but I wasn't sure enough about their lineups once the bench players started entering and I like the more consistent quality of Washington's lineup options.

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #160 on: September 16, 2010, 11:35:14 PM »

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My picks:

Chicago over Washington:  I like Washington's depth over Chicago, especially as nick pointed out the foul tendencies of Chicago.  But at full strength, Scola has to be dragged out of the paint to stay with Ilyasova.  There's no way Chandler can guard Lebron.  That will get Chandler and Bynum in foul trouble.  Again, that is with Washington at full strength.  I just don't believe the chances are strong for Manu + Bynum to both be at full strength in the playoffs.  The rest of the team is pretty average to me.  I'd love to be optimistic, but I gotta be realistic.

Orlando over Milwaukee:  I think AK-47 gets a lot of minutes in this series to help neutralize Dirk.  With AK defending Dirk, I say that Dirk's advantage at the 4 is equal to JJ's advantage over Rip at the 2.  Maybe I overrate JJ, but I think others tend to underrate him surprisingly IMO.  I am shocked to hear the team built around Dirk talk about an opposing player only scaring them during the regular season.  VC and Maggette?  Oh man... I dislike both of them equally - wash.  Then it comes down to the PG and the C matchup.  Lawson/Terry vs. Kidd/Jack is fairly even.  Lawson/Terry will outscore by a bit, Kidd will outperform in other aspects.  So, I'll say wash.  But at the C position, we have Aldridge/Biedrins vs. Gortat/Turiaf.  Clear advantage Orlando here.  I think Aldridge sees most of the minutes with also the other PF minutes.  I incorporated most of the benches here, so not much else to discuss.  As you can see, I see it as a narrow win for Orlando.
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #161 on: September 16, 2010, 11:38:21 PM »

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So, how much is Chicago hoping that Milwaukee (with Maggette at SF) advances, rather than Nashville (with AK47)?


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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
« Reply #162 on: September 16, 2010, 11:55:36 PM »

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So, how much is Chicago hoping that Milwaukee (with Maggette at SF) advances, rather than Nashville (with AK47)?