Why is it so ridiculous to compare Bradley to Joe Dumars?
I loved Dumars when he played, but let's not get carried away here.
Dumars was drafted 18th in '85.
Bradley was drafted 19th in '10.
Pretty comparable (and Dumars went to McNeese State so it's not like everybody saw this guy as the next sure thing).
Forget the Finals awards and championships, while certainly a great accomplishment, if Dumars had played on a bad team, we might not be thinking of him so highly.
Dumars - 6x All Star, pretty tough to beat.
1x All-NBA 2nd team and 2x All-NBA 3rd team, definitely attainable but a huge challenge.
4x All NBA Defensive team, also a major challenge, but again not outside the realm of possibility (especially considering undrafted Bruce Bowen has eight 1st and 2nd team appearances and undrafted Ben Wallace has six 1st and 2nd team appearances and 4 DPOY awards).
It's not like the OP said Bradley is without a doubt the next coming of once in a lifetime talent like Magic, Bird, or Jordan. He was saying maybe he could turn out to be similar to Joe Dumars, and I think that's a very reasonable best case scenario to put on a player.
So what's the problem oldmanspeaks and FrDrake? I don't get why it's unfair to compare any guard to Joe Dumars. Future/young NBA players are compared to past NBA players all the time, are you guys not used to this or something?
Exactly.
There are ALOT of similarities.
I’m sure that the scouting reports suggested that Dumars should play PG because of his size, and i’m sure that they also said he could survive at the SG because of his defensive abilities.
Dumars: 18th Pick, 6’3”, 190 lbs, Excellent Perimeter Defender, Silky Jumpshot
Bradley: 19th Pick, 6’3”, 180 lbs, VERY Good Perimeter Defender (so far), Silky Jumpshot
Like BDM said, this really isn’t out of quesion... I think this is a perfect comparison to mark the ceiling for Bradley’s potential.
If you want to say that they're similar heights, got drafted at similar slots, played good college defense, and can hit a jumper, then sure, they're similar.
However, it was the same logic that made people compare Gerald Green to Tracy McGrady (high school phenom, crazy athleticism, can hit a jumper, etc.).
I'm not someone ruling anything out at this point, but being that we've yet to even see this kid in a Summer League game (which in itself is misleading enough), I think we probably should just adopt a wait and see attitude.
But see I think the Gerald Green to Tracy McGrady comparison was fair too. Just because a player doesn't hit his potential (and in the case of Gerald, pretty much hit the worst case scenario) doesn't mean you can't project out what the future might be. And along with a best case scenario comes a worst case scenario. Maybe some people don't understand the words like "could" "maybe" and "potential" but every NBA player has a best and worst case scenario attached to them. Few will hit (or exceed) the best case scenario, a lot more will hit (or fall below) the worst case scenario, and a bunch will end up somewhere in the middle. No need to wait to make a projection. Just understand there's a huge likelihood for error based on limited information.
Now if you said, we didn't need to re-sign Ray because we have Bradley who is the next Joe Dumars, I would definitely say well let's wait and see. Or if you said why is Pierce complaining about his supporting cast when we just teamed him with the next Tracy McGrady, then again it's a lets wait and see approach. Or if you didn't want to trade the rights to Jeff Green for Ray Allen because Jeff Green might be the next Scottie Pippen, I'd say you you're crazy you gotta take that risk. But when you're not making major moves based on these projections, then project away and understand best case scenario is always a stretch but not unattainable.
Exactly,
Dumar’s in the HOF because of his defense. Good defenders are what they are because of attitude. Any NBA player could be an excellent defender if they put their mind to it... but only certain ones do.
If guys like DJ, Joe Dumars, and Dennis Rodman didn’t have the attitude of being lock down defenders they’d just be above average, or even average. But because of their mind sets they are put on a pedestal of being great players. This kid may have that mindset.
That’s why he gets this comparison. A comparison that is judging his ceiling... not what he is GOING to be.
Gerald Green’s ceiling WAS Tracy McGrady. And he clearly won’t be reaching that ceiling.
according to NBADraft.net:
Greg Oden’s Ceiling was marked at David Robinson/Bill Russell
Kevin Durant’s Ceiling was Tracy McGrady/Dirk Nowitzki
Rajon Rondo’s Comparison was Mookie Blaylock (don’t agree)
Avery Has been called a defensive minded Monte Ellis
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