A few fundamental TEAM failures....

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Hahahahha, that is funny....tp for you for the laugh.....you are probably right, and i am embarrassed that it probably is my fault, cabin fever maybe....the guys here are really a good bunch...we all go off for other reasons mistakenly...i guess i do...oh well...! They should make me assistant coach,,...a minor one...Defensive coach..! LOL, only kidding..!

[nickagneta]

Holy misinterpretation Batman!!!!!

mmbaby, I in no way tried to infer that you were strange or didn't belong here. I assume that fans of a team that are such big fans of a team that they follow that team on a blog know such fundamentals. mmbaby, you have exhibited a fairly good knowledge of the team and the game before now and it's surprising that you wouldn't know this term given your previously exhibited knowledge.

All I was doing was referring to the situation of a neophyte basketball fan following a blog site without knowing some of the fundamental terms of basketball. I would imagine if you are new to basketball and don't know the terms of basketball that it must it very difficult to not only follow a game and the analysis of color commentators on television while watching it but also some of the detailed discussion that can occur on basketball blogs and that it could get severely lessen one's enjoyment because of that. Sorry but you always exhibited a deeper knowledge than that from my perspective.

Sorry for the confusion it just like if I was following a baseball site and someone thanked someone for explaining what a stolen base was and how to do it or if I was following a football site and someone thanked someone for explained what a field goal was and why it happened mostly on fourth down. These are just fundamentals so ingrained into the game that you assume fans of the games know what they are.

Also, I don't know how the conversation went from making my comment that was a jest, for the most part, to the INFERENCE that I somehow think mmbaby needs to have a certain knowledge as prerequisite to be here or that I didn't welcome him here. I would appreciate if someone is misunderstanding MY POST that is a reply their comment that people would allow me the time to reply to that before making comments on it and muddying the waters.

[Kiorrik]

Holy misinterpretation Batman!!!!!

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TP.

[mmbaby]

Holy misinterpretation Batman!!!!!

mmbaby, I in no way tried to infer that you were strange or didn't belong here. I assume that fans of a team that are such big fans of a team that they follow that team on a blog know such fundamentals. mmbaby, you have exhibited a fairly good knowledge of the team and the game before now and it's surprising that you wouldn't know this term given your previously exhibited knowledge.

All I was doing was referring to the situation of a neophyte basketball fan following a blog site without knowing some of the fundamental terms of basketball. I would imagine if you are new to basketball and don't know the terms of basketball that it must it very difficult to not only follow a game and the analysis of color commentators on television while watching it but also some of the detailed discussion that can occur on basketball blogs and that it could get severely lessen one's enjoyment because of that. Sorry but you always exhibited a deeper knowledge than that from my perspective.

Sorry for the confusion it just like if I was following a baseball site and someone thanked someone for explaining what a stolen base was and how to do it or if I was following a football site and someone thanked someone for explained what a field goal was and why it happened mostly on fourth down. These are just fundamentals so ingrained into the game that you assume fans of the games know what they are.

Also, I don't know how the conversation went from making my comment that was a jest, for the most part, to the INFERENCE that I somehow think mmbaby needs to have a certain knowledge as prerequisite to be here or that I didn't welcome him here. I would appreciate if someone is misunderstanding MY POST that is a reply their comment that people would allow me the time to reply to that before making comments on it and muddying the waters.

All I can say is I do enjoy and understand the game, announcers and this blog or I wouldn't be here. Boxing out is not a term used like, say, screen. You used the term 'fundamental' a lot in your post and it is not a fundamental or necessary term to know to be able to enjoy and understand the game.

[mmbaby]

Thanks Bakhu. I appreciate it. I was feeling sorta like a real duffus; now I don't. 

[nickagneta]

Holy misinterpretation Batman!!!!!

mmbaby, I in no way tried to infer that you were strange or didn't belong here. I assume that fans of a team that are such big fans of a team that they follow that team on a blog know such fundamentals. mmbaby, you have exhibited a fairly good knowledge of the team and the game before now and it's surprising that you wouldn't know this term given your previously exhibited knowledge.

All I was doing was referring to the situation of a neophyte basketball fan following a blog site without knowing some of the fundamental terms of basketball. I would imagine if you are new to basketball and don't know the terms of basketball that it must it very difficult to not only follow a game and the analysis of color commentators on television while watching it but also some of the detailed discussion that can occur on basketball blogs and that it could get severely lessen one's enjoyment because of that. Sorry but you always exhibited a deeper knowledge than that from my perspective.

Sorry for the confusion it just like if I was following a baseball site and someone thanked someone for explaining what a stolen base was and how to do it or if I was following a football site and someone thanked someone for explained what a field goal was and why it happened mostly on fourth down. These are just fundamentals so ingrained into the game that you assume fans of the games know what they are.

Also, I don't know how the conversation went from making my comment that was a jest, for the most part, to the INFERENCE that I somehow think mmbaby needs to have a certain knowledge as prerequisite to be here or that I didn't welcome him here. I would appreciate if someone is misunderstanding MY POST that is a reply their comment that people would allow me the time to reply to that before making comments on it and muddying the waters.

All I can say is I do enjoy and understand the game, announcers and this blog or I wouldn't be here. Boxing out is not a term used like, say, screen. You used the term 'fundamental' a lot in your post and it is not a fundamental or necessary term to know to be able to enjoy and understand the game.

Well, boxing out is a fundamental term in the game. Actually, it's a very rudimentary term in the game, like dribbling or traveling, or pick and roll. Obviously you enjoy basketball. Obviously you understand the game and can understand the announcers. I think it is just must be extremely, extremely rare for a fan not to have heard of the term boxing out.  Regardless. Obviously you're still resentful of my comment. I'm sorry you took it that way. No malicious intent was involved. it was just a mere surprise of the situation is all.

One last thing. A question. You find "screen" to be a common basketball term but have never heard of the term "boxing out"?

[dark_lord]

Well, I didn't know what boxing out was. Glad to understand a bit better now. Thanks Meadow and welcome.

This is either very tongue in cheek funny or head scratching strange.

I don't know whether to chuckle or try to figure out how a basketball fan that's a big enough basketball fan that they follow a basketball blog, doesn't know what boxing out is?!?!

Well, thanks for calling me strange. But I'm new to basketball and does that preclude me from being here?

Not at all, and please don't judge this site on the comments of one or two ... it really is a great blog. I can't speak for others, but I think some people assume that everyone should know all the fundamentals of the game as a kind of prerequisite for joining a blog community, but I and most others disagree, and welcome almost everyone, regardless of their knowledge of the game, or level of expertise.

I, for one, am glad to have people here who are new to the game ... they offer a fresh insight and honest assessment of the game from a new direction, and that's a vital part of keeping things exciting and visceral, as well as helping to keep some of the "rusty" ones like me on our toes. Also, I've found that by helping others to learn, I hone my own knowledge as well, and sometimes learn things in the process.

Many of us have known the game for a long time, and I think we can take for granted sometimes that not everyone has a background knowledge of the game, but all the more reason to have a blog, as a place where new enthusiasts can come and ask questions and learn about the game in a community atmosphere.

I feel very bad that you were offended and I don't blame you, (though I think it's probably just a misunderstanding), but I hope you'll give us more chances to win you over here. You haven't been here long, but I can tell that you're very intelligent and articulate, and that you'd be a great addition to the CB community.

So please know that I and many others welcome you with open arms, and welcome the chance to help you learn about the game without fear of judgement or reproach. I really do hope you'll stick around ... I think the place may just grow on you! Here's a Tommy Point as an olive branch, and please feel free to ask me anything you like via a PM, if you wish.

Well, i put a reply to this, but it was lost in the middle Big tp for you, real leadership, i like it!!!

co-sign...good work bahku.  this is just another example of how ur great for the community here.

[dark_lord]

Thanks Bakhu. I appreciate it. I was feeling sorta like a real duffus; now I don't. 

dont worry about a few people's posts or perception of u here.  just post, be sincere, and have fun.....and it will be enjoyable.  no one here is better than anyone else, no matter the title they have, the amount of posts they have, tp's, etc.  its a community and the more that are involved, the better. 

[mmbaby]

Ah, thanks dark lord. I do come here to have fun, learn and see different perspectives. It really is enjoyable to come here after a game and see the comments. After receiving these nice posts, I do feel a part of the community now. Thanks.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I've been meaning to comment on the Celtic's lack of boxing out for a little while now, so great topic.  There was a play in particular where Wade got his own rebound about 10 ft from the hoop simply b/c Ray Allen put 0 effort into boxing him out, and it really frustrated me.  Ray is not alone either.

I disagree that in the NBA rebounding is mostly athleticism.  It certainly matters more than a pickup game, but boxing out / positioning is still the #1 fundamental of getting a rebound.  A player intuition also seems to count for a good deal, but intuition doesn't do much good to a player if they are effectively boxed out.

BBD is doing a great job on the O-board, but his boxing out on the defensive end is typically too far under the hoop (and thus his height limits him).  Pierce used to box out more, but still does a good job.  Perkins does a great job, and so does KG.  Rasheed is pretty good.  Ray does a terrible job.  Rondo's rebounding is from a position that rarely utilizes boxing out.  Scalabrine is usually too far from the hoop, and so someone athletic can get around him.  He's also too slow to turn and effectively box out.  All in all the team really needs to get back to boxing out consistently, and take care of the ball!