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Brian Windhorst, doing his best for the Cavs
« on: January 07, 2010, 10:51:21 AM »

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http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/01/cleveland_cavs_vs_washington_w.html

The Wizards owe it to Jamison to trade him, with a nice subtext saying that the best fit would be Cleveland.  ::)

Re: Brian Windhorst, doing his best for the Cavs
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2010, 11:21:29 AM »

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Well, he is writing for Cleveland.com.  Cavs fans probably eat that up.

A Jamison-to-Cleveland trade is fairly plausible, I think.  I'll be rooting hard for it not to happen.

You think the Wiz have any interest in Delonte? He'd fit in in their locker room.   :P

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Re: Brian Windhorst, doing his best for the Cavs
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2010, 11:39:39 AM »

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Well, he is writing for Cleveland.com.  Cavs fans probably eat that up.

A Jamison-to-Cleveland trade is fairly plausible, I think.  I'll be rooting hard for it not to happen.

You think the Wiz have any interest in Delonte? He'd fit in in their locker room.   :P

It's plausible in terms of salary match and I would hate to see it happen but I'm not worried because I'm sure the Cavs won't have the guts to trade Ilgauskas for two reasons :

1. They really love their Shaq/Ilgauskas combo and the fact that one big can substitute to the other. They don't want to lose that, although Jamison would be a great fit with Shaq to his side. They are also scared that if they keep Shaq only, the chances that he may get hurt at age 38 are too high to take the gamble and risk being without any center come playoffs time.

2. They are loyal to Ilgauskas and won't trade him because he has been here for his entire career and is close with LeBron.

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Is Windhorst doing anything different than what Ryan or some of the Boston guys do?

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2010, 11:40:46 AM »

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Sadly, he is probably right.  I am not sure if Cleveland is the best fit as far as what they can give up, but from Jamison's point of view, it is a perfect fit.  

Really, I think it is sad that Jamison has been stuck in Washington all these years (although to be fair, he did sign the extension).  Jamison has always been one of the more consistent players in the NBA, who never really gets his due.  If there were one guy who I would like to see go to a contender, and get a ring, Jamison might be very close to the top of the list.

Ultimately, it is going to come down to who is willing to give the best package up for him, but Cleveland is certainly a great fit for Jamison's game, and they have the expiring contracts to offer...its just a matter if 1. they will offer them, and 2. if they will also throw in enough sweetener to outbid other possible suitors.

I am stealing this from someone else (I forget who), but I think the C's might want to get involved in this, if all it would take would be an expiring contract.  If they could send Ray to Washington for something like Jamison and Mike Miller, it could be a very intriguing package for the C's.  And Ray might be a step in the right direction for that franchise as well.

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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2010, 01:11:51 PM »

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Is Windhorst doing anything different than what Ryan or some of the Boston guys do?
Probably not I'd have to see an article that demands another team do something silly in the C's interest just because its owed to a player.

I don't read a lot of beat writers.

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2010, 01:12:17 PM »

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Well, he is writing for Cleveland.com.  Cavs fans probably eat that up.

A Jamison-to-Cleveland trade is fairly plausible, I think.  I'll be rooting hard for it not to happen.

You think the Wiz have any interest in Delonte? He'd fit in in their locker room.   :P
Definitely plausible, but the idea that the Wizards owe it to a player is silly.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 01:22:13 PM »

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Well, he is writing for Cleveland.com.  Cavs fans probably eat that up.

A Jamison-to-Cleveland trade is fairly plausible, I think.  I'll be rooting hard for it not to happen.

You think the Wiz have any interest in Delonte? He'd fit in in their locker room.   :P
Definitely plausible, but the idea that the Wizards owe it to a player is silly.

You think so?  There were plenty of "the Sixers owe it to Barkley to trade him" or "the Celts owe it to Pierce to trade him" articles at the time.  I guess the difference with Jamison is that he hasn't been a career Wizard, but people make this argument all the time.  (The most famous case, of course, is Boston's own Ray Bourque.)

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Well, he is writing for Cleveland.com.  Cavs fans probably eat that up.

A Jamison-to-Cleveland trade is fairly plausible, I think.  I'll be rooting hard for it not to happen.

You think the Wiz have any interest in Delonte? He'd fit in in their locker room.   :P
Definitely plausible, but the idea that the Wizards owe it to a player is silly.

You think so?  There were plenty of "the Sixers owe it to Barkley to trade him" or "the Celts owe it to Pierce to trade him" articles at the time.  I guess the difference with Jamison is that he hasn't been a career Wizard, but people make this argument all the time.  (The most famous case, of course, is Boston's own Ray Bourque.)
So because people write silly articles, they are less silly?

Especially when that player just recently resigned with the team.

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Well, he is writing for Cleveland.com.  Cavs fans probably eat that up.

A Jamison-to-Cleveland trade is fairly plausible, I think.  I'll be rooting hard for it not to happen.

You think the Wiz have any interest in Delonte? He'd fit in in their locker room.   :P
Definitely plausible, but the idea that the Wizards owe it to a player is silly.

You think so?  There were plenty of "the Sixers owe it to Barkley to trade him" or "the Celts owe it to Pierce to trade him" articles at the time.  I guess the difference with Jamison is that he hasn't been a career Wizard, but people make this argument all the time.  (The most famous case, of course, is Boston's own Ray Bourque.)
So because people write silly articles, they are less silly?

Especially when that player just recently resigned with the team.

Well, I don't think it's decidedly silly to suggest that a player who has been a class act deserves better than a train wreck of a team that is going nowhere.  Obviously, no team ever "owes" it to a player to trade him, just like no player "owes" it to a team to take a home town discount.  However, in the romantic world of sports, fans think about such things.

I don't know, the article didn't bother me.  I've got my fingers crossed that neither Jamison nor Troy Murphy are traded to the Cavs, but if they are, I can see the reasoning for both teams (so long as Hickson and cap relief are involved.)

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 01:45:41 PM »

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Well, he is writing for Cleveland.com.  Cavs fans probably eat that up.

A Jamison-to-Cleveland trade is fairly plausible, I think.  I'll be rooting hard for it not to happen.

You think the Wiz have any interest in Delonte? He'd fit in in their locker room.   :P
Definitely plausible, but the idea that the Wizards owe it to a player is silly.

You think so?  There were plenty of "the Sixers owe it to Barkley to trade him" or "the Celts owe it to Pierce to trade him" articles at the time.  I guess the difference with Jamison is that he hasn't been a career Wizard, but people make this argument all the time.  (The most famous case, of course, is Boston's own Ray Bourque.)
So because people write silly articles, they are less silly?

Especially when that player just recently resigned with the team.

Well, I don't think it's decidedly silly to suggest that a player who has been a class act deserves better than a train wreck of a team that is going nowhere.  Obviously, no team ever "owes" it to a player to trade him, just like no player "owes" it to a team to take a home town discount.  However, in the romantic world of sports, fans think about such things.

I don't know, the article didn't bother me.  I've got my fingers crossed that neither Jamison nor Troy Murphy are traded to the Cavs, but if they are, I can see the reasoning for both teams (so long as Hickson and cap relief are involved.)
The article struck me as an attempt to rationalize why the Wizards should do what's in the Cav's best interests. (maybe in Jamison's)

I don't think players should ever expect to be moved unless the team thinks its the best deal to improve the team. I fully expect the Wizards to shop Jamison at this point, but he deserves honesty about management's plans. He doesn't deserve deferrence to his own well being rather than the team's.

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I agree it's silly to -- as the beat writer for a competing team -- suggest an NBA franchise paying a player many millions a year 'owes' it to the player to trade him. They owe it to themselves to do what's best for the team while weighing both the short and long term, just like everyone else including the Cavs.

Brian, I give you E for effort, and T for nice try.
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