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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2009, 04:22:04 PM »

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Just signed with the Cards (aka, the Red Sox scrap heap)

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12087221

What did the Cards see that we missed?
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2009, 04:23:38 PM »

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Quote from: Redz on August 19, 2009, 04:22:04 PM
Just signed with the Cards (aka, the Red Sox scrap heap)

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12087221

What did the Cards see that we missed?

That he's a career NL pitcher?
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2009, 04:24:05 PM »

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Quote from: Redz on August 19, 2009, 04:22:04 PM
Just signed with the Cards (aka, the Red Sox scrap heap)

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12087221

What did the Cards see that we missed?

Not reading the story, I think they'll want to use him as a reliever, and I'm sure the Soxs had some inclinations to that regard themselves but Smoltz didn't want to or something. I think he still can be good in that role, as a starter I think he was quite good during the early innings if not mistaken, so for short stints he might just be good.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2009, 04:29:51 PM »

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Dave Duncan is a miracle worker when it comes to fixing pitchers. Piniero, Lohse, Ryan Franklin, Woody Williams, and plenty more.  I'm not sure if he will be able to fix Smoltz but if anyone can it would be him.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2009, 11:30:15 PM »

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Quote from: johnnyrondo on August 19, 2009, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Redz on August 19, 2009, 04:22:04 PM
Just signed with the Cards (aka, the Red Sox scrap heap)

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12087221

What did the Cards see that we missed?

That he's a career NL pitcher?

I guess, but does that account for lefties hitting over .400 against him?
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2009, 05:36:55 PM »

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Smoltz in his first start so far, 4 IP, 2 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 8 k's.

Now San Diego is awful and Petco is a great place to pitch, but i KNEW he'd come out and have a real good start. If you want a lugh, take a look at the Padres lineup, i follow baseball bigtime and havent heard of half their lineup.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2009, 06:25:50 PM »

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If the Cardinals win the Central, they ought to send a ring to Theo Epstein. Lugo's been a big help, Smoltz was double tough today and you got Chris Duncan out of our hair - for a little while, anyway.

Appreciate it, Theo.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2009, 06:32:33 PM »

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Beckett, Lester, Bucholz, Tazawa, Wakefield > Beckett, Lester, Penny, Wakefield, Smoltz

If Daisuke can actually come back and be effective, we're going to have a great starting 5.

Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, Bucholz, Tazawa/Wakefield

If Tazawa keeps pitching like he has in his next few starts I can see him becoming a mainstay in the starting rotation next season. He's got what it takes to pitch in Boston.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2009, 07:26:05 PM »

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Quote from: Big_Matt34 on August 19, 2009, 04:29:51 PM
Dave Duncan is a miracle worker when it comes to fixing pitchers. Piniero, Lohse, Ryan Franklin, Woody Williams, and plenty more.  I'm not sure if he will be able to fix Smoltz but if anyone can it would be him.

This is very true. All these pitchers that you think now suck always end up being very serviceable for the Cards..

Keeping Penny and dumping Smoltz was simply the wrong decision. Like, I don't know what we are really trying to prove by keeping Penny. We couldn't trade him, so now we keep him?
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2009, 08:27:30 PM »

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Quote from: jambr380 on August 23, 2009, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: Big_Matt34 on August 19, 2009, 04:29:51 PM
Dave Duncan is a miracle worker when it comes to fixing pitchers. Piniero, Lohse, Ryan Franklin, Woody Williams, and plenty more.  I'm not sure if he will be able to fix Smoltz but if anyone can it would be him.

This is very true. All these pitchers that you think now suck always end up being very serviceable for the Cards..

Keeping Penny and dumping Smoltz was simply the wrong decision. Like, I don't know what we are really trying to prove by keeping Penny. We couldn't trade him, so now we keep him?

Well to be fair, as bad as Penny has been Smoltz was worse. Smoltz was clearly not gonna work here and releasing him was the obvious decision. Its moot anyways, Penny has been dropped from the rotation for atleast the near future, which makes me very happy.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2009, 10:15:01 PM »

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Quote from: Big_Matt34 on August 23, 2009, 08:27:30 PM
Quote from: jambr380 on August 23, 2009, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: Big_Matt34 on August 19, 2009, 04:29:51 PM
Dave Duncan is a miracle worker when it comes to fixing pitchers. Piniero, Lohse, Ryan Franklin, Woody Williams, and plenty more.  I'm not sure if he will be able to fix Smoltz but if anyone can it would be him.

This is very true. All these pitchers that you think now suck always end up being very serviceable for the Cards..

Keeping Penny and dumping Smoltz was simply the wrong decision. Like, I don't know what we are really trying to prove by keeping Penny. We couldn't trade him, so now we keep him?

Well to be fair, as bad as Penny has been Smoltz was worse. Smoltz was clearly not gonna work here and releasing him was the obvious decision. Its moot anyways, Penny has been dropped from the rotation for atleast the near future, which makes me very happy.

Very true...Smoltz was just awful, while Penny at least showed he could be effective to start the year...hopefully we get Daisuke and Wake back soon and we can make a strong push for the playoffs. The Yankees and Rays series were really unfortunate...
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2009, 07:54:38 AM »

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Quote from: Redz on August 19, 2009, 04:22:04 PM
Just signed with the Cards (aka, the Red Sox scrap heap)

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12087221

What did the Cards see that we missed?

In two starts so far: 11 innings, 7 hits, 1 run, 15Ks, 0.82 ERA.
I don't get it.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2009, 09:07:50 AM »

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I'm very happy for him.  I really wanted him to work out for the Sox.  His stuff always appeared better than the results.  Maybe there was truth to the pitch tipping theory.  His last two games have been against poor offensive teams so lets see what happens against a good lineup.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2009, 10:41:47 AM »

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Quote from: Cman on August 30, 2009, 07:54:38 AM
Quote from: Redz on August 19, 2009, 04:22:04 PM
Just signed with the Cards (aka, the Red Sox scrap heap)

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12087221

What did the Cards see that we missed?

In two starts so far: 11 innings, 7 hits, 1 run, 15Ks, 0.82 ERA.
I don't get it.

The National League is absolutely worthless. How is it a collection of the best players in the National League hasn't beaten the best players in the American League in THIRTEEN tries?!

So the AL has better stars then the NL. It is also a tremendously deeper league, and particularly the AL East, where Smoltz was getting rocked.

.305 .281 .285 .266 .263 .274 .263 .271 .271

Those are the averages of the Baltimore Orioles lineup, last place by a mile in the AL East. Compare them with the Nationals lineup:

.231 .304 .302 .283 .291 .247 .244 .236 .195

His first start was against the San Diego Padres, or as they could be marketed, "Adrian Gonzalez and eight others."

His second start was against the Washington Nationals, who at this point are the third best team in Triple A. Yeah, he pitched against the Nationals with the Red Sox, in his first game back from surgery and rehab and a long layoff.

What Smoltz is doing now that he wasn't with Boston? Pitching in the National League. 
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