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Re: This time, Danny's posturing and "GM speak" has gone too far
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2009, 01:57:39 PM »

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Moreover, I think the C's have a very good chance at getting a superior talent on the wing (Udoka or Bogans) than with their third string PG (Lue, Bobby Jackson).

In order to get that required depth, the Celtics may be better off trying to sign a wing instead of a third string point guard ... and instead allow Daniels to double up as the first wing off the bench + third string point, with him taking over the point if needs must and someone else taking over the wing duties.

I agree with this.  I also think if Rondo does suffer an injury, there will be PG's available to pick up as insurance for House/Daniels during the season, who are just as good as the guys they are looking at now (or perhaps it will be the same guys).  I don't know if that is the case with the wings, since I think there is a sharp drop-off from guys like Bowen and Udoka, and the rest.

Re: This time, Danny's posturing and "GM speak" has gone too far
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2009, 01:58:34 PM »

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As I've said before also, with Pierce and Garnett in your starting lineup the necessity for a "real" PG is way lessened.

Re: This time, Danny's posturing and "GM speak" has gone too far
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2009, 03:08:19 PM »

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Ainge said it is not set in stone that the remaining roster spot will go to a point guard, even though the Celtics only have one pure point guard on the team in Rondo.

“I’m not feeling a great urgency, because I think that both Eddie [House] and Marquis can play there, and even Tony [Allen],” Ainge said. “We won a game [in December 2007] by 20 points against the Lakers with Tony starting at point guard, so it’s not an urgent thing that we are trying to do right now.”

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I was just starting to forget how horrific the "Tony as PG" experiment was, and now Danny has to go and remind us.  I can't imagine that this would happen in a million years -- generally, guys who average more turnovers than assists aren't made point guards -- but it's still a ridiculous thing for Danny to say.

What I don't understand is, why say it at all?  Nobody is fooled.  Opposing GMs aren't going to say, "Oh, wow, Tony Allen really would look good at PG on our team".  Most fans are going to cringe.  The players on the roster might chuckle.  And Doc is going to disregard it completely.

It's amusing to go to 82games.com, and look at Tony's performance in the '07 - '08 season that Danny is referencing.  If you extrapolate Tony's performance over 48 minutes, here's how Tony performed as a point guard that year:

17.6 pts (per 48), 2.0 assists, 8.1 turnovers, 10.2 personal fouls

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Why on earth would Danny reference such a small sample size, when Tony performed so poorly at the position?
The real question isn't "Why is Danny saying this stuff about Tony Allen?".

The real question is "How can he not say such things about Tony Allen after giving him one of the more head-scratching, ill-advised, just-plain-stupid, 2 year/$5 million contracts in Celtic history?"


$2.5 a year for Tony for two years was a very good deal for us. There's no mistake in that regard.

Uh, no. Five large committed to a player who isn't smart enough to see the floor - in the wake of all the gloating over the money saved on Posey - isn't a good deal for us. Not even close.

It's wasted money, and one of Ainge's worst deals ever.
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Re: This time, Danny's posturing and "GM speak" has gone too far
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2009, 03:26:30 PM »

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Ainge said it is not set in stone that the remaining roster spot will go to a point guard, even though the Celtics only have one pure point guard on the team in Rondo.

“I’m not feeling a great urgency, because I think that both Eddie [House] and Marquis can play there, and even Tony [Allen],” Ainge said. “We won a game [in December 2007] by 20 points against the Lakers with Tony starting at point guard, so it’s not an urgent thing that we are trying to do right now.”

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I was just starting to forget how horrific the "Tony as PG" experiment was, and now Danny has to go and remind us.  I can't imagine that this would happen in a million years -- generally, guys who average more turnovers than assists aren't made point guards -- but it's still a ridiculous thing for Danny to say.

What I don't understand is, why say it at all?  Nobody is fooled.  Opposing GMs aren't going to say, "Oh, wow, Tony Allen really would look good at PG on our team".  Most fans are going to cringe.  The players on the roster might chuckle.  And Doc is going to disregard it completely.

It's amusing to go to 82games.com, and look at Tony's performance in the '07 - '08 season that Danny is referencing.  If you extrapolate Tony's performance over 48 minutes, here's how Tony performed as a point guard that year:

17.6 pts (per 48), 2.0 assists, 8.1 turnovers, 10.2 personal fouls

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Why on earth would Danny reference such a small sample size, when Tony performed so poorly at the position?
The real question isn't "Why is Danny saying this stuff about Tony Allen?".

The real question is "How can he not say such things about Tony Allen after giving him one of the more head-scratching, ill-advised, just-plain-stupid, 2 year/$5 million contracts in Celtic history?"


$2.5 a year for Tony for two years was a very good deal for us. There's no mistake in that regard.

Uh, no. Five large committed to a player who isn't smart enough to see the floor - in the wake of all the gloating over the money saved on Posey - isn't a good deal for us. Not even close.

It's wasted money, and one of Ainge's worst deals ever.

Considering that to sign him we didn't waste any of our resources to pursue other free-agents. Considering that it was a short term contract expiring on the verge of one of the most anticipated free-agent years. Considering that he's a more useful player than any of you who don't like him care to admit and constantly exaggerate his misgivings. The no, it wasn't a waste.

When we manage to convert his contract into something even more useful, we'll see.

He's a decent player sign for low money on a short term contract. No need to make it more or less than it is.

Re: This time, Danny's posturing and "GM speak" has gone too far
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2009, 03:41:18 PM »

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It's amusing to go to 82games.com, and look at Tony's performance in the '07 - '08 season that Danny is referencing.  If you extrapolate Tony's performance over 48 minutes, here's how Tony performed as a point guard that year:

17.6 pts (per 48), 2.0 assists, 8.1 turnovers, 10.2 personal fouls

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Why on earth would Danny reference such a small sample size, when Tony performed so poorly at the position?

what are you complaining about? my gosh, tony would have averaged almost a triple double.  he just has to get those TOs up a bit more. ;)
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Re: This time, Danny's posturing and "GM speak" has gone too far
« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2009, 04:52:44 PM »

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I do have to admit I was very puzzled when Danny started to talk up some game Tony had two years ago. I mean what he was he talking about? LOL.

But whatever helps get TA on another team is OK by me..

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« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2009, 05:02:14 PM »

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I do have to admit I was very puzzled when Danny started to talk up some game Tony had two years ago after the BBD presser. I mean what he was he talking about? LOL.

But whatever helps get TA on another team is OK by me..

Re: This time, Danny's posturing and "GM speak" has gone too far
« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2009, 05:38:05 PM »

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I don't think anyone is dumb enough to fall for it.  Could be wrong though...Chris Wallace is out there. 

Re: This time, Danny's posturing and "GM speak" has gone too far
« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2009, 05:40:53 PM »

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Uh, no. Five large committed to a player who isn't smart enough to see the floor - in the wake of all the gloating over the money saved on Posey - isn't a good deal for us. Not even close.

It's wasted money, and one of Ainge's worst deals ever.

  That's quite an exageration. Before Tony's injury he was leading the bench players in minutes, was 2nd in scoring behind House and we were outscoring our opponents with Allen on the floor. He's no great player, and Daniels will probably keep him off the floor, but he wasn't the disaster on the court that people are claiming.