Backup PG- Royal Ivey

[SCBirdman]

I think this guy would be an indeal fit. He is a bigger guard- 6'4 215 lbs. Could guard 2's and House defend PGs with the 2nd unit. Not a score first guy, good distributor and facilitator with a 2-1 Assist to TO ratio. shot 79% FT's....mch better than Rondo.

Thoughts?

[Rondo_is_better]

I disagree strongly. The guy is a fringe player in the NBA. Plus, with the addition of Marquis Daniels, we don´t really need a bigger guard to match up against two´s.

I´d rather have Tyronn Lue, honestly.

[GKC]

I think this guy would be an indeal fit. He is a bigger guard- 6'4 215 lbs. Could guard 2's and House defend PGs with the 2nd unit. Not a score first guy, good distributor and facilitator with a 2-1 Assist to TO ratio. shot 79% FT's....mch better than Rondo.

Thoughts?

Terrible FG%, and despite the really good Assist to TO ratio, his per 40 minute stats are very dissapointing. 2 assists? Does seem quite low.

In fact, Gabe Pruitt has much better numbers all across the board except for shooting. Better rebounding, assists, TO rate, assist to TO ratio...

Don't know how this is an upgrade, especially with luxury tax.

[SCBirdman]

I disagree strongly. The guy is a fringe player in the NBA. Plus, with the addition of Marquis Daniels, we don´t really need a bigger guard to match up against two´s.

I´d rather have Tyronn Lue, honestly.

I could see Daniels getting minutes at the PG position, but who backs up PP? Doc likes to play a 5 man second unit in the 2nd quarter and part of the 4th....SO do you want TA.JR or BW on the floor?

Maybe we can make a trade for another wing and Daniels primarily plays PG....As for Lue, he's too small to be paired with House. That is why I like Ivey. I would prefer Antonio Daniels. He would be ideal, but Ivey is a similar body type.

I'm just throwing an some options. IMO we need a vet PG for the play-offs, so maybe a deal will go down at the trade deadline if we still have our expirings.

[Rondo_is_better]

I disagree strongly. The guy is a fringe player in the NBA. Plus, with the addition of Marquis Daniels, we don´t really need a bigger guard to match up against two´s.

I´d rather have Tyronn Lue, honestly.

I could see Daniels getting minutes at the PG position, but who backs up PP? Doc likes to play a 5 man second unit in the 2nd quarter and part of the 4th....SO do you want TA.JR or BW on the floor?

Maybe we can make a trade for another wing and Daniels primarily plays PG....As for Lue, he's too small to be paired with House. That is why I like Ivey. I would prefer Antonio Daniels. He would be ideal, but Ivey is a similar body type.

I'm just throwing an some options. IMO we need a vet PG for the play-offs, so maybe a deal will go down at the trade deadline if we still have our expirings.

Well, how bout Flip Murray? He´s a bigger guard, and he´s available as a FA, which in my opinion very significant. I think its important for us to get a player who can join the team seamlessly--be there for training camp, learn the system, start the season with our team and he the ground running. We´ve seen how a midseason PG acquisition has worked out for us the past two seasons with Sam Cassell and Stephon Marbury-- in other words, not well.

[wdleehi]

I disagree strongly. The guy is a fringe player in the NBA. Plus, with the addition of Marquis Daniels, we don´t really need a bigger guard to match up against two´s.

I´d rather have Tyronn Lue, honestly.

I could see Daniels getting minutes at the PG position, but who backs up PP? Doc likes to play a 5 man second unit in the 2nd quarter and part of the 4th....SO do you want TA.JR or BW on the floor?

Maybe we can make a trade for another wing and Daniels primarily plays PG....As for Lue, he's too small to be paired with House. That is why I like Ivey. I would prefer Antonio Daniels. He would be ideal, but Ivey is a similar body type.

I'm just throwing an some options. IMO we need a vet PG for the play-offs, so maybe a deal will go down at the trade deadline if we still have our expirings.

Well, how bout Flip Murray? He´s a bigger guard, and he´s available as a FA, which in my opinion very significant. I think its important for us to get a player who can join the team seamlessly--be there for training camp, learn the system, start the season with our team and he the ground running. We´ve seen how a midseason PG acquisition has worked out for us the past two seasons with Sam Cassell and Stephon Marbury-- in other words, not well.

I still like the Flip Murray idea.  House, Murray, Daniels combined will take pressure off all of them to be the PG. 


Only issue, there is not backup PG to take Rondo's spot if he goes down.

[SCBirdman]

I like Murray as well. Personally, I'm still hoping for a trade that brings us Moon or Outlaw...One can only dream.

There was a three-way trade proposed yesterday with Miami, Utah and Boston with Boston netting Haslem and Moon for BBD, Pruitt, TA and Scal. WOuld anyone still ike that move?

I know Haslem would only be a one year guy, but maybe if Ray comes back for less adn PP restructures, we can resign Haslem and Rondo. That keps our core and reserves together for an extended period of time.

Maybe its a pipe dream, but I think this gives us better longterm outlook than hoping for a 2010 max deal, which we now have ZERO shot at acquiring.

[Rondo_is_better]

I disagree strongly. The guy is a fringe player in the NBA. Plus, with the addition of Marquis Daniels, we don´t really need a bigger guard to match up against two´s.

I´d rather have Tyronn Lue, honestly.

I could see Daniels getting minutes at the PG position, but who backs up PP? Doc likes to play a 5 man second unit in the 2nd quarter and part of the 4th....SO do you want TA.JR or BW on the floor?

Maybe we can make a trade for another wing and Daniels primarily plays PG....As for Lue, he's too small to be paired with House. That is why I like Ivey. I would prefer Antonio Daniels. He would be ideal, but Ivey is a similar body type.

I'm just throwing an some options. IMO we need a vet PG for the play-offs, so maybe a deal will go down at the trade deadline if we still have our expirings.

Well, how bout Flip Murray? He´s a bigger guard, and he´s available as a FA, which in my opinion very significant. I think its important for us to get a player who can join the team seamlessly--be there for training camp, learn the system, start the season with our team and he the ground running. We´ve seen how a midseason PG acquisition has worked out for us the past two seasons with Sam Cassell and Stephon Marbury-- in other words, not well.

I still like the Flip Murray idea.  House, Murray, Daniels combined will take pressure off all of them to be the PG. 


Only issue, there is not backup PG to take Rondo's spot if he goes down.

Well, Rondo going down is an issue without a solution. There are very few players in the league who could replace even half of what he bring to the table, and none of those players are available. That´s a risk we just have to accept. You can´t build a perfect, unshakable team in the real world. But we´re close--let´s just be happy about that.

[ManUp]

Scalabrine for Keyon Dooling works in ESPN's trademachine.

Scali's expiring for Dooling's 2 year deal.

Rondo/Dooling
Ray/House
Pierce/Daniels
Garnett/Davis
Perkins/Wallace

Now that's depth.

[celticinorlando]

i still think another big off the bench is a bigger void esp when you consider baby

[Ed Teach]

Living in Texas I have followed Longhorn basketball pretty closely.  I am a fan of Royal Ivey since college.  I think with the upgrades to the 2nd unit offensive output, that Ivey would be a great fit.  

Ivey has a good BB IQ and is an excellent defender.  He is not prone to TOs and handles the ball well enough to be an upgrade over House bringing the ball up.
His biggest weakness is outside shooting and creating his own shot.  With the players that he would be playing with this should not be a problem.  He also is a good option since he should be available for the vet min.

Another intresting option also from Texas is TJ Ford.  Ford has a Player option with the Pacers, but has been losing PT the last 2 years.  If we are able to use the S&T option to acquire Daniels, Ford may be a good LLE option.  Ford has had injury issues due to a spine condition that makes him susceptible to injury.  When he is healthy he is a true point guard with playmaking ability.  I am not sure he is at the point in his career where he wants to be a back up to have a chance at a ring.  He is still young enough that he may chase after a starting role.  But if he would accept a backup role for the LLE I would jump at the chance.

[albas89]

I disagree strongly. The guy is a fringe player in the NBA. Plus, with the addition of Marquis Daniels, we don´t really need a bigger guard to match up against two´s.

I´d rather have Tyronn Lue, honestly.

I could see Daniels getting minutes at the PG position, but who backs up PP? Doc likes to play a 5 man second unit in the 2nd quarter and part of the 4th....SO do you want TA.JR or BW on the floor?

Maybe we can make a trade for another wing and Daniels primarily plays PG....As for Lue, he's too small to be paired with House. That is why I like Ivey. I would prefer Antonio Daniels. He would be ideal, but Ivey is a similar body type.

I'm just throwing an some options. IMO we need a vet PG for the play-offs, so maybe a deal will go down at the trade deadline if we still have our expirings.

Well, how bout Flip Murray? He´s a bigger guard, and he´s available as a FA, which in my opinion very significant. I think its important for us to get a player who can join the team seamlessly--be there for training camp, learn the system, start the season with our team and he the ground running. We´ve seen how a midseason PG acquisition has worked out for us the past two seasons with Sam Cassell and Stephon Marbury-- in other words, not well.

I still like the Flip Murray idea.  House, Murray, Daniels combined will take pressure off all of them to be the PG. 


Only issue, there is not backup PG to take Rondo's spot if he goes down.

I liked the Flip Murray idea from the beginning of this off-season! Now that we've taken Daniels, some of you might believe that Murray would be unnecessary! But imagine, if we take him, we'll have:
- an A+ shooter in House
- a B+ shooter and B+ slasher in Flip Murray
- a B shooter and A- slasher in Daniels

Generally, imo flexible lineups of bench players are much better than having good players, each of whom can play one single position.
These 3 guys would cause some serious headaches to our opponents' defense and consider that they would be coming off the bench!! Wooww...