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Re: Garnett Out For Entire Play-offs?!?
« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2009, 07:15:08 AM »

Offline KJ33

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Call me naive, but I was one of the ones who all along thought Garnett would be back, and that the team had no reason to lie about that.  I have changed my mind.  I have always supported Doc, so have taken what he says at face value.  But in listening to his comments yesterday a few times, it is clear to me that he and Danny were being deceptive this whole time, he just doesn't sound believable that only the morning of the schedule being released, somehow things have taken a big turn for the worse.

I will continue to support the team on the floor, but as a season ticket holder, I am pretty sour on the organization right now.  I didn't want to believe they were stringing everyone along, but it seems clear now, especially after reading Perk's comments that we could hide it only so long, we knew KG was really hurt and probably not going to play, as well as the skeptical Drs. about what is really up with the knee, that the C's knew all along things were bad. 

I realize many here have been saying this for quite awhile now, and you were right.  I can't say I know entirely their motivation, that it was all about ticket sales, but I don't doubt that played some role.  Danny, Doc, even Wyc all sounded so sure that he would be back for Game 1, but is it a coincidence that many, many people theorized they would announce he was done once the season ended, and that is exactly what they did?  They have lost credibility with me, not necessarily for misdiagnosing, although that is a possibility at this point, but for being so forthcoming about how sure they were he would play, when they knew it was not so sure. 

They are still lying about it, if it really was what they say, the ECF are what, at least a month away?  Why would he be ruled out of the whole playoffs now if it is possible that a strain could be better in a month after saying he was a definite for Game 1 for a few weeks now?  The C's organization has lost some respect in this observers eyes.

Re: Garnett Out For Entire Play-offs?!?
« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2009, 07:39:42 AM »

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Call me naive, but I was one of the ones who all along thought Garnett would be back, and that the team had no reason to lie about that.  I have changed my mind.  I have always supported Doc, so have taken what he says at face value.  But in listening to his comments yesterday a few times, it is clear to me that he and Danny were being deceptive this whole time, he just doesn't sound believable that only the morning of the schedule being released, somehow things have taken a big turn for the worse.

I will continue to support the team on the floor, but as a season ticket holder, I am pretty sour on the organization right now.  I didn't want to believe they were stringing everyone along, but it seems clear now, especially after reading Perk's comments that we could hide it only so long, we knew KG was really hurt and probably not going to play, as well as the skeptical Drs. about what is really up with the knee, that the C's knew all along things were bad. 

I realize many here have been saying this for quite awhile now, and you were right.  I can't say I know entirely their motivation, that it was all about ticket sales, but I don't doubt that played some role.  Danny, Doc, even Wyc all sounded so sure that he would be back for Game 1, but is it a coincidence that many, many people theorized they would announce he was done once the season ended, and that is exactly what they did?  They have lost credibility with me, not necessarily for misdiagnosing, although that is a possibility at this point, but for being so forthcoming about how sure they were he would play, when they knew it was not so sure. 

They are still lying about it, if it really was what they say, the ECF are what, at least a month away?  Why would he be ruled out of the whole playoffs now if it is possible that a strain could be better in a month after saying he was a definite for Game 1 for a few weeks now?  The C's organization has lost some respect in this observers eyes.

Good post. There are certainly a bunch of unresolved questions in my mind, similar to yours, and there's no question that the credibility of the organization has been damaged.

Sorry in advance for the analogy, but I am reminded of a bumper sticker I've seen several times over the past five years: "Blind faith in bad leadership doesn't equal patriotism."
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Re: Garnett Out For Entire Play-offs?!?
« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2009, 07:44:48 AM »

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I think crownsy's take is the most likely scenario of what occurred here but then that begs this question to be answered, how the hell did the doctors not examine his knee so thoroughly they they misdiagnosed a bone spur for a sprain? The man gets paid $22 million a year and is the heart and soul of this team. An MRI, an x-ray, a CAT scan, and any other freaking picture they could have taken should have been dome immediately and found out what the problem was from the beginning.

I have some concerns about the medical staff, too.  Did they properly diagnose the injury?  Was there anything that could have been done to have KG ready for the playoffs?  Did they advise him that by foregoing surgery, he would likely be out for the entire playoffs?

I know it's hard to predict recovery times, but from what Doc is suggesting, this injury is going to take several months to heal.  If that's the case, I can't see KG electing a non-surgical option if surgery would have had him ready for the playoffs.

I know people want to defend the organization, but the team misdiagnosed Big Al, somehow missing bone chips in his ankle even as he repeatedly complained about persistent pain.  They rushed Wally back from repeated ankle injuries, to the point where he had to be shut down for essentially a season.  There are plenty of other examples, too.  Maybe I'm simply a skeptic, but I don't have 100% confidence that the medical staff is doing its job as well as it could.

Too much anecdotal evidence out there to not be skeptical of action and motive, Roy. I agree.
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Re: Garnett Out For Entire Play-offs?!?
« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2009, 07:54:21 AM »

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What if it comes out their deception, if you can call uncertainty and making multiple game plans in an ambiguous and tough to pin down situation "deception," is the key to a brilliant rope-a-dope move? If we were fans of teams of paint ball commandos, we wouldn't tell the guys we could paint green with our second unit and a few ace gunners that our ex-Navy seal team mate was not out at sea, but just sea sick in the car if the red paint gets thick. Let him know how things look when the blue stuff starts flying, and maybe he'll be okay to guard the flag and take a few shots when a real threat shows up.

All I'm saying is yes, like one of Rajon's racing rack attacks, they have played it with spin all along instead of flat and open. What are they supposed to do? Wyc, Danny, Doc and the rest of the guys we can thank for Banner 17 are surely just doing whatever is best with the situation to keep the best chance at 18 alive. We can sort out whether they screwed up in the offseason. The time to get behind the other 14 guys is now. The time to figure out if KG was mishandled and see what it leads to are still possibly a couple months away.

Here's a thing I wonder about ... if KG is going to be on the sidelines, are Joey Crawford and Bill Kennedy trying to be in earshot, or paying attention to Rashard Lewis rebounding contact on offense or Verajao's flopping antics on defense? This is going to be tough enough without another five technical foul night, or that officiating misery of Milwaukee a couple days before we got Salmonized. It won't happen again, let's devote our energies to that we can still change ... I just feel for KG, and know he will be out there if at all possible when the flak gets heavy.

Re: Garnett Out For Entire Play-offs?!?
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2009, 09:22:27 AM »

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This is obviously a huge loss, but i think that KG is too much of a gamer and has too much intensity and love for the game to sit and watch. I feel that if the celts get down 2-0 or 2-1 or even 3-0 that KG will play. He has too much of a passion for winning to watch his team struggle while he is on the sidelines.
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Re: Garnett Out For Entire Play-offs?!?
« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2009, 10:34:29 AM »

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In the Providence Journal today there is some info on KG's injury that sums it up better than any statement that has been previously released.  It says that KG knew he was going to have to have post playoff surgery on the bone spur even before spraining/straining his knee on Feb 19.  It says the bone spur has nothing to do with his sprained knee, and that its the strained muscle/tendon that is keeping him out, not the spur.  It would have eased some of our confusion if they had  worded it this way a month ago.

Re: Garnett Out For Entire Play-offs?!?
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2009, 03:45:28 PM »

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i think the celtics knew this for a while now and they screwed with everyone..but i know one thing for shore kevin needs to be on that bench thru the playooffs cheering his team mates on ....no i mean he better be on the bench cheering his team on r i will lose respect for him he has to be a cheerleader now and that means being on the bench i dont care how much it hurts him to watch but he needs to be on that bench

I agree completely.  You don't think it hurts other players to have to sit on the bench and not be able to play?  Yet we expect it of them.  Why should KG be any different.
If he really is the heart of this team, the inspiration, the leader....he will be on the sidelines.  If not, either the sportsworld has been giving him too much credit or KG is much more self centered than he lets on.

he's been watching games from the locker room and speaking to guys at halftime for 12 years now when he can't play, i doubt he's going to change how he does things so you feel better about the whole thing.

  It has nothing to do with me.  It has to do with the team and thank God the management see's that he owes it to his teammates to be there.

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All concerned know how beneficial even an inactive Garnett can be.

Throughout his inactivity - Garnett played in only four of the last 29 games of the season - the All-Star forward watched home games in the locker room. He was quick to offer advice.

He’ll now have a chance to do this in huddles.

“If he can’t be on the floor, then I’m sure he’ll be helping from the sidelines,” said Ray Allen.

Said Paul Pierce [stats]: “It’s very important that he be out there because of the way the guys look up to Kevin. He can help us just with the things that he sees.”