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Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #60 on: May 06, 2008, 10:52:55 AM »

Offline MMacOH

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I also don't like the cavs chances if the series goes 7 games.  These first 2 games will definitely give me a good feeling for how this series should go.  Last year, the Cavs lost their first 2 games to Detroit in Detroit but they had a chance to win both of the games.  I will have confidence the casv can win in six if the same thing happens this year (or if they pull one of the first 2 games out)

Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #61 on: May 06, 2008, 10:56:01 AM »

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Thanks MMacOH for the input.  The Cavs are my second team, and I follow them regularly.  It's curious that on this board people with old axes to grind against Delonte and Wally persist in saying that the Cavs got the worst of the trade; not one Cleveland fan thinks that!  Look where Chicago is: a train wreck!

I'll only add that Gooden, for whatever reason, always played the Cs tough.  But that was atypical; he's a non-factor totally.  Joe Smith is much better, although he hasn't received the minutes he should from Mike Brown, IMHO.

This is going to be a dogfight.  I thought the Cavs might not have jelled yet, and they still haven't jelled fully, but they've jelled enough in the last couple weeks to make this series close.

I forsee a game 7 slaughter however, ultimately, sort of like what happened to the Hawks.
I agree with what you saying here mostly.I see a Cavs team thats getting better/better as they go.I think,they played above what was expected of them so soon,after the trades.I followed the entire series aganist the Wiz,and do see a tougher team than most think.D.West,Wally both played a very good series overall.Joe Smith started to come around towards the end of the series.His shooting was a little off in the first games,but he came up with some good play in game 6 on the road.I see it being a lot tougher than some might expect.I think the Cavs are tougher 1-5,than they were last season,and Lebron,has manage to fit them into his game to make it more of a balanced attack.He is trusting D,Wally,..B.Wallace has been ok in games also.  

Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2008, 11:33:13 AM »

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The Cavs....  well I know they start 2/5 of the team we had that won 24 games.  Wally is a Joke, and Devin Brown is bad at what Wally is good at.  Delonte will probably have 1 good game in the series... you pick one!  Igauskus is decent, and I do worry about him.  But finally Perkins won't have to chase around a 6'9 guy and will actually be quicker than his aponent.    I think the Celtics win in 6 Games, maybe 7.  I'm very nervous about a game 7 with the Cavs, because we'll probably have to do the same with Detroit....

Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2008, 11:35:37 AM »

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I'd be dissapointed if we don't sweep them. I've never thought much of the Cavaliers, and won't start now.

Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2008, 11:38:40 AM »

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I'd be dissapointed if we don't sweep them. I've never thought much of the Cavaliers, and won't start now.

The Celtics needed 7 games to beat the Hawks and you think they are sweeping the Cavs?  I would be absolutely shocked if that happened.  Have you seen Doc Rivers coach?

Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2008, 01:09:48 PM »

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I'd be dissapointed if we don't sweep them. I've never thought much of the Cavaliers, and won't start now.

The Celtics needed 7 games to beat the Hawks and you think they are sweeping the Cavs?  I would be absolutely shocked if that happened.  Have you seen Doc Rivers coach?

Different teams, different circumstances.  I think it's quite flawed to think, "just because you performed this way against X team, it'll mean you'll perform the same against Y team."

One question for you though, have you seen Mike Brown coach?

Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #66 on: May 06, 2008, 01:17:33 PM »

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I'd be dissapointed if we don't sweep them. I've never thought much of the Cavaliers, and won't start now.

The Celtics needed 7 games to beat the Hawks and you think they are sweeping the Cavs?  I would be absolutely shocked if that happened.  Have you seen Doc Rivers coach?

Different teams, different circumstances.  I think it's quite flawed to think, "just because you performed this way against X team, it'll mean you'll perform the same against Y team."

One question for you though, have you seen Mike Brown coach?

haha...yes I have, and although he can't coach an offense to save his life, the guy can coach defense.  I would defnitely take him over Doc Rivers. 

Why do you think Boston can sweep this series?  The Cavs won the Eastern Conference last year and had to beat a pretty good Detroit team to do it.  What makes you think they can't win a game against Boston?

Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #67 on: May 06, 2008, 01:26:12 PM »

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I'd be dissapointed if we don't sweep them. I've never thought much of the Cavaliers, and won't start now.

The Celtics needed 7 games to beat the Hawks and you think they are sweeping the Cavs?  I would be absolutely shocked if that happened.  Have you seen Doc Rivers coach?

Different teams, different circumstances.  I think it's quite flawed to think, "just because you performed this way against X team, it'll mean you'll perform the same against Y team."

One question for you though, have you seen Mike Brown coach?

haha...yes I have, and although he can't coach an offense to save his life, the guy can coach defense.  I would defnitely take him over Doc Rivers. 

Why do you think Boston can sweep this series?  The Cavs won the Eastern Conference last year and had to beat a pretty good Detroit team to do it.  What makes you think they can't win a game against Boston?

Because even though we were a superior team to Atlanta, they embodied teams that have given us some troubles all season.  They're athletic and unpredictable in some ways.  The Cavs aren't like that.  They're quite predictable, and quite inferior to the Celtics.  I really don't see them beating us in any portion of a game.  The only thing I would be worried about would be containing the offensive rebounding from Cleveland, but I still see us being vastly superior to them and I really don't see that unpredictable factor that would cause the Celtics any sort of trouble (athletism, speed, etc.).

It's not that I don't think Cleveland can't win a game against us... it's that I don't think they should.

Let me put it this way, I'm more concerned of teams like the Suns, Hornets, Wizards, and Lakers than I am of teams like Detroit, Cavs, San Antonio, and Utah (though they've got an athletic side).

I'll tell you this, even with LeBron, the Cavs shouldn't have the free-throw disparity we had against Atlanta.
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Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #68 on: May 06, 2008, 01:49:33 PM »

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LeBron is one of the biggest whiners in the NBA, but he's not over-rated. He still keeps checking that "boo-boo" on his elbow from over a week ago ... maybe he's running out of Big Bird Band-Aids! That said, he's the second-best player on any basketball court, right behind, (ugh!), Kobe Bryant. I think if we could find a way to keep him from biting his nails, he'd be so tense that he wouldn't be able to hold a basketball!


this reminds of what Marc jackson said about the Cs game today: "it's time to put the kids to bed"

it's big boy time, now....

pretty condescending, but funny none-the-less. (Hawks deserve a lot of credit)...i wish every game that we don't get to have tommy and Mike for we could get Jackson, Van Gundy and Breen....by far the best national commentating team. i also like Dunleavy a lot too.

as for the Cavs, the one guy i worry about a little is Ilgauskas. we don't really have a good matchup for him.



Funny.  Being out of market and really enjoying high-def, I HAVE to have the national announcing team.  I really miss Tommy and Mike.  I prefer them.

Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2008, 01:54:14 PM »

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The length of the series will depend on how much the refs favor Lebron.  If he's allowed to drive to the hoop and get a foul call each time, the C's will again have a major free throw deficit that will make it difficult to overcome.  Z, West, Wally will be happy recipients of kickouts from LB should the C's resort to double or triple-teaming Lebron's drives to counteract the foul calls. 

C's should get this in 5 but I fear another game 7 is in the wind.  NBA wouldn't mind seeing the C's and Lebron around for 7 games of high ratings.  Stern and the refs union would never admit to it but the unbalanced officiating in the Atlanta series was very circumspect.

I agree that we are in trouble if LeBron gets the "Dwane Wade" treatment from the refs.  Lets hope we at least can avoid the refs favoring either team.

Re: What Do You Think Of The Cavs?
« Reply #70 on: May 06, 2008, 02:31:20 PM »

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Honestly, I was/am intrigued by the Cavs post-trade.  I think the trade was good for them.  Both Gooden and Hughes had serious flaws and were not fitting into their offense properly.  But lets look at their roster now:

PG:  D. West/Boobie
SG:  D. Brown/Wally
SF:  LBJ
PF:  Wallace/Smith
C:   Ilgauskas/Varejo

One of the things that amazed me after the trade was how many similar players they had (in terms of skill sets).  From my observation, West and Boobie have similar skill sets (spot up three point shooters, limited lateral mobility, combo-point guard).  As do Wallace and Varejo (rebounders both offensive and defense, limited offense, defensive stoppers and shot blockers).  As do Ilgauskus and Joe Smith (to a lesser extent - outside shot, no shot blocking, limited lateral movement, defensive rebounders).  As do Pavlovic and Wally (limtied defense, great shooters, sf bodies). 

From what I saw it seems that the Cavs have two of everything, except LeBron James.  Thank goodness.  He is simply awesome.  Best player in the series right now, a force, and capable of carrying his team to win a least two games based on his strengths alone.

The Cavs, also, play surprising defense considering their roster.  Brown has really done a godo job at teaching team defense, and haveing that many defensive bigs does not hurt in the least.  Layups are hard to come by against this team after the trade.

Having said that, there are also real limitations with Cleveland's roster (save LeBron, of course).  It seems that almost every player has a serious flaw.  Boobie has a hard time defending quick point guards and cannot create his own shot.  Ilgauskis is getting older and losing mobility, therefore, he tends to foul more than before and get tired; also, he is not really able to pick and roll anymore, now he is only a pick and pop guy.  Wallace has some of the same problems - no offensive range, getting older and less effective, not much help on the pick and roll or the pick and pop.  Of course we all know Wally's flaws; I doubt his mobility these days and his defense. I am willing to drink shots whenever the color guy says "Wally takes it strong to the hole and throws it down" and am comfortable I will still be driving home that night.

By way of contrast, the Celtics players are not nearly as one-sided as the Cavs support players.  Sure, they have flaws, but they are not as glaring.  Of course, the Celtics do not have LeBron James.

So the keys to this series, from my point of view, is (1) whether LeBron can compensate (mostly offensivly) for his teammates flaws and/or whether the Celtics team defense can take advantage of these flaws (make Wally drive, for example).  Another key is whether the Cavs defense can continue to play tough defense inside (Washington was not much of an interior defense test) or whether the Celtics can take advantage of those Cavs with limited mobility and get in the lane to create easy buckets, fouls, and three point shots.

Early on, I am going to watch (and hopefully see) the Celtics doubling LeBron on screens and being VERY VERY careful not to allow him to split the double (which is hard - he is really really strong).  Also, I am going to be watching to see if the Celtics can get the ball into the paint and create from there or if they will be limited to jump shots.

As a final idea (I have been dying to get these thoughts out anyway) who guards Ray Allen?  Wally?  Really?  If so, Ray (or whoever Wally guards) is the offensive key to the series for the Celtics.  He has to get the ball into the paint and create for the others.  Some people buy the hype that Ray Allen is slow.  No, he is slowing, but he is not slow, especially when compared to Wally these days.  If Ray can shake his recent funk and create offense, the Celtics should crack the Cavs defense and win the series.  However, the Celtics need to trap LeBron strongly and then keep the ball out of his hands on the other end, or else we are in trouble.
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